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Why do Christians pray to Jesus?
(06-18-2019, 01:02 AM)CrypticMole Wrote:
(06-17-2019, 11:43 PM)Elric Wrote:
(06-15-2019, 10:20 PM)CrypticMole Wrote: The old way to salvation thru Christ's death at the cross.

Christ himself paid the price for our sins at the cross by shedding his own blood.

Here's my problem with that Cryptic; no-one can commit suicide & then have others claim that I'm now beholden to him because people from millennia ago said so.
For me to be bound by his suicide (which is considered one of the 'unforgivable sins' by many) then I would have had to have made a personal agreement with him beforehand.  No personal agreement was made.

The entire 'blood of Christ' concept is very Pagan in nature btw.
Our Creator is 'perfect, without error', therefore it's impossible for Him/Her to have made the design itself any less than perfect & having His/Her son slaughtered would not have been necessary in the first place.
To believe otherwise is to believe that the Almighty is less than perfect.

There was a true story of a father who backed his car over his young daughter in their driveway. Of course, she was killed. The father was so distraught, that he could no longer bear the pain when he killed himself. Will The I Am That I Am condemn this man to hell because of this act of unbearable sorrow? It would be completely ludicrous to think that he would!

I have learned many years ago, though, and even as a child that many of my questions will not be answered in this lifetime, so I never beat myself up over them. I'll just draw my own opinions and/or conclusions is all.

We can agree on that for sure. I was pointing out the doctrinal inconsistency.
Trying to figure out the spiritual consequence of suicide was one of the last 'basics' that I sought an answer for (Because I'd been raised to believe that it was one of the 'unforgivable sins')

Many who commit suicide are in such emotional turmoil at the time they take their own life, that it would be a bit harsh to condemn them for eternity. And really, how is slitting ones wrist any different to drinking oneself to death or cutting ones life short with a diet of McDonald's? Scratchinghead
No, our Creator is all loving & all forgiving. But like anything else, there would be consequences.
Although I'm not 100% certain, I think that most people who take their own life have to come back to finish the time that they may have had remaining. It would explain (to me at least) why babies are born with cancer or other illness & die within hours, days, weeks or months.

When my boy was 5yo, I could see that he was deep in thought as we were drawing & colouring in pictures. He's a thinker my boy so I was grinning to myself as I waited knowing that he would eventually ask me something deep.
Without looking up he asked "Dad, who made God?" The proverbial 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg?' Chuckle
This gave me the opportunity to explain that that's one of those questions that will remain a mystery in this lifetime, so I try not to induce a headache by giving it much thought. (Admitting that I really didn't know for sure, I told him that at a guess I'd say that Gods mother & father 'made God'. My boy seemed satisfied with that response & continued drawing Chuckle )
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(06-18-2019, 02:20 AM)Elric Wrote:
(06-18-2019, 01:02 AM)CrypticMole Wrote:
(06-17-2019, 11:43 PM)Elric Wrote: Here's my problem with that Cryptic; no-one can commit suicide & then have others claim that I'm now beholden to him because people from millennia ago said so.
For me to be bound by his suicide (which is considered one of the 'unforgivable sins' by many) then I would have had to have made a personal agreement with him beforehand.  No personal agreement was made.

The entire 'blood of Christ' concept is very Pagan in nature btw.
Our Creator is 'perfect, without error', therefore it's impossible for Him/Her to have made the design itself any less than perfect & having His/Her son slaughtered would not have been necessary in the first place.
To believe otherwise is to believe that the Almighty is less than perfect.

There was a true story of a father who backed his car over his young daughter in their driveway. Of course, she was killed. The father was so distraught, that he could no longer bear the pain when he killed himself. Will The I Am That I Am condemn this man to hell because of this act of unbearable sorrow? It would be completely ludicrous to think that he would!

I have learned many years ago, though, and even as a child that many of my questions will not be answered in this lifetime, so I never beat myself up over them. I'll just draw my own opinions and/or conclusions is all.

We can agree on that for sure. I was pointing out the doctrinal inconsistency.
Trying to figure out the spiritual consequence of suicide was one of the last 'basics' that I sought an answer for (Because I'd been raised to believe that it was one of the 'unforgivable sins')

Many who commit suicide are in such emotional turmoil at the time they take their own life, that it would be a bit harsh to condemn them for eternity. And really, how is slitting ones wrist any different to drinking oneself to death or cutting ones life short with a diet of McDonald's?  Scratchinghead  
No, our Creator is all loving & all forgiving. But like anything else, there would be consequences.
Although I'm not 100% certain, I think that most people who take their own life have to come back to finish the time that they may have had remaining. It would explain (to me at least) why babies are born with cancer or other illness & die within hours, days, weeks or months.

When my boy was 5yo, I could see that he was deep in thought as we were drawing & colouring in pictures. He's a thinker my boy so I was grinning to myself as I waited knowing that he would eventually ask me something deep.
Without looking up he asked "Dad, who made God?" The proverbial 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg?'  Chuckle
This gave me the opportunity to explain that that's one of those questions that will remain a mystery in this lifetime, so I try not to induce a headache by giving it much thought. (Admitting that I really didn't know for sure, I told him that at a guess I'd say that Gods mother & father 'made God'. My boy seemed satisfied with that response & continued drawing  Chuckle  )

Here again, I make a point about the worse sin by far that one could ever commit; blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Again I ask, "does that mean that we cannot enter heaven if and when we repent of our sins?" "does that mean we are condemned because of a very serious moment of doubt?" There again, I'll say "that's highly unlikely." We've all had our moments of doubt. That's one of our human frailties.

Your boy seems awesome and one we can all learn a valuable lesson from.
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Odin/Wotan/Kristos/Christ all share some similarities.....Miguel Serrano has written some great books regarding the issue. If I wrote a book about someone a couple hundred years ago that I didn't know.... would I be believed? Humans are humans, we really haven't changed....would you trust anything written by Barry/Hillary/Bill etc?? Well they had them back then too. It is very hard to trust humans, especially when money or profit is involved. I have always felt the word of God, the "House of God", is in nature. Nothing man has created can rival the creations in nature. I do enjoy this topic and appreciate EVERYONES feedback. Some of you really need to write some books on this issue.
"Here they defended themselves to the last, those who still had swords using them, and the others resisting with their hands and teeth."Herodotus VII, 225
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