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Why do Christians pray to Jesus?
#51
(06-09-2019, 03:15 PM)DRUMZ Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 02:45 AM)Elric Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 02:19 AM)Kadosh Wrote: In John 10:30, Jesus states, "I and my Father are one."

It would be interesting to know when that 'quote' was first attributed to the Rabbi.
The concept of Trinity was not initially a part of Christian doctrine. It took early churchmen a few hundred years to come up with the idea that Jesus was God.
Up until then, Jesus was considered a teacher & a prophet.

It's written in the Gospels.
Read the post "Pentecost Sunday."

Jesus never preached that he was part of a Trinity.
"God is in me" applies to All of us.
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#52
(06-09-2019, 03:41 PM)CrypticMole Wrote: Is Jesus God in the flesh?

Question: "Is Jesus God in the flesh? Why is it important that Jesus is God in the flesh?"

Answer: Since Jesus’ conception by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin Mary (Luke 1:26-38), the real identity of Jesus Christ has always been questioned by skeptics. It began with Mary's fiancé, Joseph, who was afraid to marry her when she revealed that she was pregnant (Matthew 1:18-24). He took her as his wife only after the angel confirmed to him that the child she carried was the Son of God.

Hundreds of years before the birth of Christ, the prophet Isaiah foretold the coming of God's Son: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). When the angel spoke to Joseph and announced the impending birth of Jesus, he alluded to Isaiah’s prophecy: "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God with us’)" (Matthew 1:23). This did not mean they were to name the baby Immanuel; it meant that "God with us" was the baby’s identity. Jesus was God coming in the flesh to dwell with man

Read More: https://www.gotquestions.org/God-in-the-flesh.html

Ever considered the fact that one of the reasons why Jesus was not considered the Messiah by the Jews was because his name was not Immanuel?

If the Bible really was the 'Word of God', it would be unambiguous & no need to devise convoluted explanations to cover inconsistencies.
(Still, I hadn't heard that one to explain why the Rabbi wasn't called Manny)
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#53
(06-09-2019, 04:16 PM)DRUMZ Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 03:51 PM)CatONineTails Wrote: Raised catholic. Never once prayed to Jesus.
1dunno1

I don't think that little kids really need to pray.
1dunno1
Except maybe around Christmas time....
For that new bicycle.
Or in my case....
A new water bong.
Chuckle
(Santa never came through, in case you were wondering)

You remind me that the only times I prayed to God was when I required Divine intervention immediately. Chuckle
Probably off-topic but what the hell; Since I was on my own from 15yo, I was in the habit of hitchhiking to save money.
As a late grower & small for my age, I was a target for perverts.

Around a dozen times I was propositioned by middle-aged men, all of whom wore a wedding ring & drove big cars for some reason.
They'd offer me $10 to give me head. The first time I freaked out & jumped out of the car at the next set of lights (I'd been raised to believe that homosexuals were deviants who were possessed by demons Facepalm )
After the first couple of encounters I realised I was reasonably safe & would just say 'Eyes on the road, hands on the wheel'.

It was odd that they all, bar one, offered $10. When I said 'no' they'd immediately offer $20.
This really pissed me off. There were times when I didn't have a cent to my name but not one ever offered to buy me something to eat.

The last time I was propositioned like this I had just turned 17yo. The guy offered me $20 initially. When I said no he offered $50. The guy drove a late model Holden Statesman. Was dressed in a suit that had a caked layer of dandruff on the shoulder. Old food stains on his tie. He was a fat slob.
$50 huh?

I'd had enough of this shit, the resentment from all the others had built up in me, so I decided to teach the grub a lesson.
Directing him to a vacant block opposite my local pub, he at first showed concern about the location, parked behind shops with stairs leading up to flats above (flats = apartments) To this day I still don't understand how he agreed to such a risky spot.
Thinking quick I told him that the shop keepers kept their doors locked & the tenants all worked & that I wouldn't pick the spot if it wasn't safe.

The creep was obviously excited & made a motion for me to whip 'it' out, where I said "I know how this works, where's the fifty?' Fumbling for his wallet he pulled out a crisp $50 note & held it out.
One hand was on the door handle. With the other I took the money & then gave him a back handed punch as hard as I could right in his face.
As I leapt out of the car he was roaring like a bull. Without looking behind I sprinted as fast as my legs would take me while praying "Please God .. please God" over & over.

Right at that moment, the ex Sgt-at-arms of a local bikie war club, known for his mindless violence & with a deep hatred of homosexuals, sauntered out the pub door holding a fresh schooner of beer, looking bored. My prayers were answered. Thank you God.
Charlie looked up with a quizzical expression as I went flying to his side & said "Can I buy you a beer Charlie? He's a fag & I've got his fifty". It was only then that I saw that the fat slobs nose was gushing blood all over his suit, shirt & tie. Chuckle
Realising what had happened, Charlie glared at the slob who stopped dead in his tracks, while I taunted him. "Want your fifty back? Come & get it you sick fuck." Jptdknpa

The timing was so perfect, the fact that Charlie was so violent & homophobic (It wasn't till years later that I realised that he must have been abused as a child) that I firmly believed that God had answered my desperate prayers for help. In fact, He/She saw it coming. Yeah3
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#54
(06-09-2019, 04:57 PM)MysticPizza Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 12:20 PM)Sami Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 01:57 AM)Elric Wrote: Ever since I was a child, I've never understood why do Christians pray to Jesus, when the Rabbi himself instructed followers to pray to the Almighty?

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You'll find this written in John 14, the fourth chapter, verse 6.

"Do not worship me but rather,your Father who is in heaven". I know this is in John somewhere but I really don't remember where. The reason I remember the verse at all is because it stuck with me.
In saying he is the way,the truth,and the light, he is pointing out to you who you worship and who you pray to.
@Aquarius mentioned praying "In Jesus name". IOW, as an intercessor .
Did I explain that right?  Scratchinghead  Whenever I am sending prayers for someone that I know is a follower of Jesus,that's how I phrase it.

Thank you. I was fairly sure I'd read that before but couldn't find the passage.

As a child it made no sense that God would create us so vile, so obnoxious that He(/She) could not bear the sight of us. That we were not good enough. Less than. Inadequate.
Every week in church we would say from the Apostles Creed "... though I'm unworthy to eat the crumbs under thy table ..." What the ...?
(That nasty little bit has since been removed from the AC)

We were created perfect in the Divines image, yet innocent & ignorant of all experience. The physical path is how we start the journey back to that perfection, perfect AND enlightened. We will then know all things. Cheer

The entire 'you were created imperfect so you need a go-between to talk to God' concept was created by the church as a means to have power over the masses. It made people dependent on the church & clergy. They set themselves up as Gods physical representatives who would intercede on our behalf.
How kind of them .... not. Ham
Bibles were written in Latin. The church did not permit followers to own their own Bibles for 'fear they would misinterpret'. One needs a priest to tell you what it means.
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(06-09-2019, 05:48 PM)WhiteAngel Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 05:35 PM)MysticPizza Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 05:30 PM)CatONineTails Wrote: Nope
Saints. I always loved saints, which makes perfect sense when you think about it.
Completely turned my back on the church at about.... 15...
I hated going. I do like being in a church  but the ceremony falls flat for me.
I do love gospel choir churches though.
All the singing and dancing.
They look like they're having a good time.

Makes perfect sense. I started figuring out a lot of the saints were really gods and goddesses of old early on. I love old cathedrals,beautiful but I get no sense of anything really spiritual.
Ever been to a black folk's church? They are fun, just eat well before you go and maybe bring an energy drink  Heartflowers

Old time Pentecostal churches where the same.  Southern Gospel Music for the win!!!  
Yup, I grew up Pentecostal

My parents were Church of England but were Pentecostals at heart.
For me it was a blessing because C of E kept them somewhat restrained compared to if they had been Pentecostals. Chuckle

The Pentecostals here always pray to Jesus & there's way too much emphasis on the Devil.
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#56
(06-09-2019, 06:23 PM)Mollyblue Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 01:57 AM)Elric Wrote: Ever since I was a child, I've never understood why do Christians pray to Jesus, when the Rabbi himself instructed followers to pray to the Almighty?

We do not and He specifically told his followers NOT to pray to Him but to pray to God and to close the prayer in His name. In Matthew when they asked Him how to pray He recited the Lord's Prayer , telling them to pray that.  Heartflowers

Thank you @Mollyblue , my point entirely. Heartflowers
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(06-09-2019, 06:29 PM)BadBrad Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 02:45 AM)Elric Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 02:19 AM)Kadosh Wrote: In John 10:30, Jesus states, "I and my Father are one."

It would be interesting to know when that 'quote' was first attributed to the Rabbi.
The concept of Trinity was not initially a part of Christian doctrine. It took early churchmen a few hundred years to come up with the idea that Jesus was God.
Up until then, Jesus was considered a teacher & a prophet.


You are walking down the path of Unitarians with those words.
The debate has been going on for centuries. You are in good company
as Frank Lloyd Wright was a Unitarian. He designed at least one
church building in his career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

- picture of it about midway down the article. Likewise, the same article reflects a lot of your
comments in previous threads. Maybe you have found your home.

@BadBrad you couldn't have read many of my posts if you think I'm Unitarian. Chuckle

Jesus was a man. A wise man, a teacher.
The church decided that he was a Saviour.

The Jews prophesied a coming Messiah called Immanuel. They didn't recognise Jesus as the Messiah so they're still waiting for Manny to show up.
So much for the OT prophets huh?
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(06-09-2019, 07:14 PM)St. Blue Dude Wrote: Obvious Troll Post.  No one could be this stupid,

Obviously a troll response. No one could be this ignorant. Facepalm
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(06-12-2019, 03:59 AM)Elric Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 06:29 PM)BadBrad Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 02:45 AM)Elric Wrote: It would be interesting to know when that 'quote' was first attributed to the Rabbi.
The concept of Trinity was not initially a part of Christian doctrine. It took early churchmen a few hundred years to come up with the idea that Jesus was God.
Up until then, Jesus was considered a teacher & a prophet.


You are walking down the path of Unitarians with those words.
The debate has been going on for centuries. You are in good company
as Frank Lloyd Wright was a Unitarian. He designed at least one
church building in his career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

- picture of it about midway down the article. Likewise, the same article reflects a lot of your
comments in previous threads. Maybe you have found your home.

@BadBrad you couldn't have read many of my posts if you think I'm Unitarian.  Chuckle

Jesus was a man. A wise man, a teacher.
The church decided that he was a Saviour.

The Jews prophesied a coming Messiah called Immanuel. They didn't recognise Jesus as the Messiah so they're still waiting for Manny to show up.
So much for the OT prophets huh?

I have read a number of your past posts. Not only do I stand
by my assertion that you are a Unitarian, I will take it one step
further. I think you have all the classic symptoms of a modern day
Unitarian Universalist.
To call them a Christian denomination is a big stretch for me but
they could be if they are on the outer most limits of the definition.
I think they are a New Age religion and you would fit in there like a
bug in a rug. In fact, you might even be a little too conservative for
their liking.

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(06-12-2019, 04:46 AM)BadBrad Wrote:
(06-12-2019, 03:59 AM)Elric Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 06:29 PM)BadBrad Wrote: You are walking down the path of Unitarians with those words.
The debate has been going on for centuries. You are in good company
as Frank Lloyd Wright was a Unitarian. He designed at least one
church building in his career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

- picture of it about midway down the article. Likewise, the same article reflects a lot of your
comments in previous threads. Maybe you have found your home.

@BadBrad you couldn't have read many of my posts if you think I'm Unitarian.  Chuckle

Jesus was a man. A wise man, a teacher.
The church decided that he was a Saviour.

The Jews prophesied a coming Messiah called Immanuel. They didn't recognise Jesus as the Messiah so they're still waiting for Manny to show up.
So much for the OT prophets huh?

I have read a number of your past posts. Not only do I stand
by my assertion that you are a Unitarian, I will take it one step
further. I think you have all the classic symptoms of a modern day
Unitarian Universalist.
To call them a Christian denomination is a big stretch for me but
they could be if they are on the outer most limits of the definition.
I think they are a New Age religion and you would fit in there like a
bug in a rug. In fact, you might even be a little too conservative for
their liking.

You can think what you like I guess, it's a free world & all that but you'd be incorrect. Yeah3

Unitarians consider Jesus is their saviour. I do not. We do not need anyone to intercede on our behalf because we are Gods children.
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