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Why didn't settlers get wiped out by Indigenous diseases?
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(04-09-2019, 12:03 AM)Grendelmort Wrote:
(04-08-2019, 11:49 PM)D3VILSR3J3CT Wrote:
(04-08-2019, 11:43 PM)Grendelmort Wrote: You are right, but it is known as a Phage - just living in the area in which it exists exposes you to it.
You don't catch Typhus from another person but from the water source.

Closer than a mosquito.  
Fleas ticks and lice live upon the person.  

I don't mean to be antagonistic.
Just thought this was an interesting topic.  

It's very strange.  
I feel the immune system subject of your last post resonates.  

But why?

No problem man, a good debate is needed on this.

Consider the these diseases (not all inclusive) that kill millions each year
Typhus
Cholera
Malaria
Plague
Dengue Fever

All of these are "secondary transmission" ie you drink the water, are bitten by the fly, mosquito, flea..

Now consider the "contagious" diseases (not all inclusive) that can spread from person to person.
Smallpox
Measles
Flu
Hemorragic Fever
Ebola

These are spread from person to person but tend to be regional/localized and "burn" themselves out over time but still claim a large number of casualties.

From what I've read, it is my understanding that Cholera killed quite a few of the folks that were traveling west in the wagon trains. For the most part, they could trust streams and rivers to be a good source of potable water, but once in awhile a group would have the misfortune of drinking water contaminated with the cholera bacteria and many of the group would die.
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2 Different Asteroid events SCORCHED The North/South American Continent
1.) K/T extinction event about 66 million years ago.
2.) platinum-rich asteroid likely caused both the Younger-Dryas event
and the extinction of Clovis peoples.

K/t Yucatan
Platinum Asteroid Broke up hitting Canada, New Mexico, Arizona.
Along with Numerous Volcanic Events.

This side of the earth has been PURGED of All Life on 3 Separate Occasions.
So it is not surprising that VIRUS and Disease had a hard time coming back from that!
This is WHY explorers Had to Bring it with them to Reintroduce Disease back into the environment.
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Any diseases they had would have been nothing in comparison to the Settlers because (aside from Comanche) they didn't practice animal husbandry.
They're also known to have been really big on hygiene although that would have varied from tribe to tribe somewhat.
Because they lived in such close contact with other tribal members they knew to isolate the sick.
If they didn't the whole tribe could be wiped out and lost to history which probably happened.
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Oh Come on, It cant all be blamed on GOATF#CKERS, Debauchery & Filth.
Yeah3 Troll2
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(04-08-2019, 11:40 PM)D3VILSR3J3CT Wrote:
(04-08-2019, 11:37 PM)Pure Rock fury Wrote: Because they were the non symptomatic carriers.

So they did not have "Disease"?  

I'm pretty sure there were many plagues before settlement.  

I choose the word "settlement"  Over "white settlement"  for I don't believe all settlers were white.

Nope. The did have disease. No symptoms, carrying the disease.
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(04-08-2019, 11:13 PM)D3VILSR3J3CT Wrote: Your thoughts on this subject would be appreciated.

This might be a partial answer for your question.

My family settled in North America in 1685. North Carolina to be exact.

The two brothers in 1685, had the same first and last name as my brother and me.

We brought with us all sorts of new infectious diseases from Britain and Europe.

The indigenous people did not have immunity from these diseases as they had never been exposed to anything like this.

The settlers made the indigenous people sick.

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(04-09-2019, 02:06 AM)Miscellaneous Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 12:43 AM)Яudis Wrote: Oh Come on, It cant all be blamed on GOATF#CKERS, Debauchery & Filth.
Yeah3  Troll2

Actually, I believe sphyillus was first contracted by man, from screwing sheep.
Pretty sure.
It's a germ that can occur in sheep, causing them no harm, but introduced into man, whole other thing.
Look it up, but I think so.

I heard that as well. WTF? How could someone screw a ewe? 1dunno1
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I think the reason the settlers made indigenous people sick and not vise versa, is the population density of where the settlers came from. Animal/human infection vectors were just more numerous in the settlers, so they had developed immunities. Isolation of the open land and lower population density was good living, and bad fortune. Indigenous were just less exposed, and dumb luck nobody had ebola yet. That would have kicked all asseries.

So... Fate? Devine providence?
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(04-09-2019, 02:06 AM)Miscellaneous Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 12:43 AM)Яudis Wrote: Oh Come on, It cant all be blamed on GOATF#CKERS, Debauchery & Filth.
Yeah3  Troll2

Actually, I believe sphyillus was first contracted by man, from screwing sheep.
Pretty sure.
It's a germ that can occur in sheep, causing them no harm, but introduced into man, whole other thing.
Look it up, but I think so.

And I think aids came from humans monkey diddling.
Dudes be humpin things. No knotholes, no cows, sheep, goats, no. Quit it before your pecker falls off!
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(04-09-2019, 02:37 AM)phxsparks Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 02:06 AM)Miscellaneous Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 12:43 AM)Яudis Wrote: Oh Come on, It cant all be blamed on GOATF#CKERS, Debauchery & Filth.
Yeah3  Troll2

Actually, I believe sphyillus was first contracted by man, from screwing sheep.
Pretty sure.
It's a germ that can occur in sheep, causing them no harm, but introduced into man, whole other thing.
Look it up, but I think so.

I heard that as well.  WTF?  How could someone screw a ewe?   1dunno1

Ask New Zealanders.. Hiding3
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