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Viva La Revolution!.. Venezuela Rises Up.
#31
(01-23-2019, 05:55 PM)SkyCat Wrote: People are COMPLETELY misunderstanding what is going on in Venezuela.  You are being programmed to bleat out stuff like, "leftist regime", "commie dictatorship", etc, etc.

"Left wing" in South America is VERY different to what "left wing" means in the West.  For instance, in South America, it is the leftists who are pro-gun rights.  The 'right wing' in South America shares much in common with what is considered 'the left' in the West!

In Brazil, CNN has just now opened an outlet, all pro Bolsonaro!  Gee, I wonder why that is?

You are being duped, people.  It has become faaar too easy for the populace to manipulated by simple ideological labels (labels that DO apply in the West, yet do NOT apply the same way in some places like South America.)

What we are seeing is the same old modus operandi of the U.S. Deep State: Meddling in other country's internal affairs and seeking 'regime change'.  It is NO DIFFERENT right now.  If Venuezuela's main export were broccoli you'd NOT be hearing about "Maduro's evil" government, etc, etc, but their main export ISN'T broccoli now is it?

A LOT of the stuff passing off as "news" coming from Venezuela the past few years has been nothing but fake news.  It is designed to get YOU to support a change of government in Venezuela, or at least to ignore it when one if forced on the country.

Uh, I hate communism, and so I don't support commie stuff, however, how Venezuela has been run for some time - sharing in the wealth of the country's rich oil reserves with the people - has actually worked.  It is their model and has been successful in large degree: Too successful, which is why Chavez was killed and why they want Maduro out, etc.

Brazil's new president, Bolsonaro, is 100% pro Israel and says he "loves Mossad".  A few months ago Netanyahu visited Colombia (the country that wants to start a war with Maduro and then be used as an excuse for Brazil and possible the USA to get sucked into the situation.)  Again: Things have been set up for some time to bring about a change of government in Venezuela.  As usual, the U.S. wants a controlled puppet in place, and that is what is being aimed for.

What about "all the Venezuelans fleeing to neighboring countries because things are so bad in Venezuela"?  Again, partial truths.  Yes, there has been a small number Venezuelans leaving the country, however A LOT of those people are Colombians who initially were taken into Venezuela as refugees not too long ago.  They are the to leave because they are not real Venezuelans.  Sure, the economy in Venezuela has done pretty badly the past while, since it has been targeted and they are too dependent on the price of oil.

Do I support Maduro?  Can't say I'm a fan yet I also have nothing against the guy.  In any event it IS NONE OF MY DAMN BUSINESS what people do in their own country, who they vote for and what they choose.  Unless the Venezuelans are 'crying out for help' to the world - which they are not (except a small group of paid agitators) - Venezuela should be left to run its own affairs.

Don't fall for the same old song and dance.  This is a very fake, manufactured, "revolution".  What the usual suspects DON'T LIKE is that Venezuela is independent and that they have huge oil reserves that ensures that Independence.

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(01-23-2019, 09:49 PM)WNC Wrote: You are way off the beam on this one. I traveled extensively to Venezuela in the 80's on business. They had a thriving economy and it was a great place to be. They kept the communist(socialists) in check. Castro was always trying to infiltrate Venezuela. When that demon Chavez came into power the outcome was inevitable. Maduro is a damned communist dictator. I weep for my Venezuelan friends, I do not even think of calling them for the danger it may put them in.

Thank you for this post @WNC

I was beginning to think my memory was really failing.

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Not my country, not my business. A country's politics belongs to the people that live in that country and need not be interfered with.

Look what America did to Chile in 1973, we helped Fascists and Nazi's over through a legitimately elected government, regardless of your position towards a certain political ideology. It was wrong.

The USA needs to worry about the USA and same goes for Canada.
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(01-23-2019, 09:49 PM)WNC Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 07:22 PM)SkyCat Wrote:
(01-23-2019, 06:55 PM)Frigg Wrote: Yes!!  Listen to Skycat you will...

I don't agree about any relative sucess of ANY communist regimes though.  Venezuela is a hornet's nest but Much like ARGENTINA was, the same games are being played.


ALWAYS pay deadly serious attention to collapsing nations... STOP LISTENING TO FOX and all the other cointel MSM ... YOU WILL NOT GET ANY REAL TRUTH... Only half truths at best.

Come on people... What kind of watered down milquetoast CT hacks, are we??


Come on fringelings... it is time to get down.

This is an OPPORTUNITY to get clued in to what is really going on.

Communist regimes always collapse, however Venezuela is not communist (I should not have inferred that they are) there are socialist, and a socialist democracy at that.  The fact the some people are trying to paint Maduro as "a dictator" is laughable.  The country has a functioning democracy and if the people vote for socialism (in this instance, primarily for sharing of the oil profits amongst everyone) then so be it.  Even though I don't like socialism, it is not my place to tell them what they should choose.  It is NO-ONE'S business to tell them what they should choose!

Some people might argue that China is a successful communist regime, however they are only successful now because they turned very capitalist in recent decades; yet, China is ruled with iron fist (the central government is not democratic.)  Why isn't the USA trying to "bring democracy" to China?  Venezuela is WAAY more free than China, buut, they have way more oil.  Simple maths, and quite sad when one sees what the actual motives for some things are.
You are way off the beam on this one. I traveled extensively to Venezuela in the 80's on business. They had a thriving economy and it was a great place to be. They kept the communist(socialists) in check. Castro was always trying to infiltrate Venezuela. When that demon Chavez came into power the outcome was inevitable. Maduro is a damned communist dictator. I weep for my Venezuelan friends, I do not even think of calling them for the danger it may put them in.

I also knew people in Venezuela, back in the early to late 2000s, when Chavez was in power.  They were quite happy, wealthy enough, traveled the world and had no problems with the running of their country.  You make the mistake blaming Venezuela's economic decline on the government.  Sure, they were- and are far from perfect, HOWEVER, you cannot blame them for the decline of the past decade because the dire situation the country finds itself in today IS NOT OF THEIR MAKING, rather it is an orchestrated, sinister and quite disgusting situation created through sanction after sanction, currency manipulation (economic terrorism) and oil price manipulation BY FORCES OUTSIDE OF THEIR BORDERS.  The fact that it is so easy to blame the Venezuela's decline on their government is precisely what has been set up for you to do by those forces (your opinion is moulded by them) seeking to destroy and co-opt Venezuela. (In other words, they want you to be able to say now, that, "socialism destroyed Venezuela" when in fact that is not the cause, at least not recently.  What has caused the current situation is [HEAVY] meddling from outside.)  What is being done to Venezuela is no different to the coup that was pulled off in Ukraine in 2014.  The only difference, thus-far, is that the coup has NOT been successful.

Now, we could talk about communism vs socialism vs 100 other ISMs forever (personally I do NOT like ISMs), however THAT is NOT the point, not at all.

Whether one likes their government or not.  The questions that ought be asked ARE:
#1] Do the majority of Venezuelans support their elected government?  Answer: YES!
#2] Does Venezuela as a sovereign country have the right to decide it's internal affairs: YES!
#3] Does the USA, or any other country, have the right to meddle in the affairs of another sovereign country?  NO!

There are certain principles which inform the free world and these principles are what matters, NOT which particular ideology so and so chooses and/or what ideology one personally prefers.  Sure, if a country treats its people really badly then one ought perhaps to ask the people if they need help, however that is exactly why fake news is going all out (and has done for years) to try to tell the world, and especially Americans, that "that" is what "Venezuela is doing to its people".  All wars require a degree of popular support and so they seek it from you (Americans in particular.)  At the very least they seek that you would be apathetic about the situation.

When it comes to dictators, well, America should keep quiet about that (or set things straight.)  America supports umpteen REAL dictatorships around the world.  Indeed, America even calls some of them "allies".
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(01-24-2019, 02:14 AM)Librarian Wrote: I remember MANY posts over at ION from our friend @Ironhide who lived in Venezuela at the time.  Now I really wish we had all the threads from ION.  

(Nov. 8, 2018) Venezuela's inflation rate just hit 830,000% — and is likely to keep rising :  https://www.businessinsider.com/venezuel...on-2018-11

Crime Threats:  Venezuela remains one of the world’s most dangerous countries; the notable deterioration in quality of life for Venezuelan citizens over the course of 2017 contributed to a dire situation in which over 73 Venezuelans died a violent death every day.  Venezuela had over 26,616 homicides in 2017, a rate of 89 per 100,000 inhabitants. This number is down from OVV’s reported tally of 28,479 homicides in 2016.  According to OVV one potential factor for this decline was the regime’s widespread deployment of security forces to counter (and prevent) protest activity....  

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReport...?cid=23791

Venezuela was Latin America’s richest country and now it is in complete crisis — here’s how it fell apart - https://www.businessinsider.com/venezuel...art-2017-7  (watch short video on this page.....)

Venezuela profile - Timeline:   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-19652436

See my previous post on the main cause of what you reference here, dear.
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(01-24-2019, 02:14 AM)Librarian Wrote: I remember MANY posts over at ION from our friend @Ironhide who lived in Venezuela at the time.  Now I really wish we had all the threads from ION.  

I remember Ironhide too.  It would be nice if he were here with us, or if we could read the threads that were at ION.
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(01-23-2019, 08:31 PM)Guest Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94tvZhcQAq0

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