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TRUMP SIGNS HONG KONG DEMOCRACY BILL
#11
(11-29-2019, 06:21 PM)KOMMA Wrote:
(11-29-2019, 05:41 PM)Bubbles Wrote: It’s none of America’s business.. stay in your own country for once..

Oh yes it is!

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The strong presence of American firms here is directly related to Hong Kong’s long-standing commitment to free trade. AmCham currently represents over 1,200 U.S. companies doing business in Hong Kong, of which over 800 are either regional offices or headquarters. U.S. companies appreciate the city’s free market orientation, transparent legal system, and well-established rule of law, which together provide a stable and predictable foundation for growth.

https://hk.usconsulate.gov/business/

Another reason why the people of Hong Kong were outside the American embassy calling for help from President Trump and carrying American flags.

The agreement with the UK, is that Hong Kong would keep their rights, China had other ideas.

As if China was going to let Hong Kong do it’s own thing for long.. Chuckle

But fair points you made. Chuckle
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(11-29-2019, 06:44 PM)Bubbles Wrote:
(11-29-2019, 06:21 PM)KOMMA Wrote:
(11-29-2019, 05:41 PM)Bubbles Wrote: It’s none of America’s business.. stay in your own country for once..

Oh yes it is!

Current Highlights

The strong presence of American firms here is directly related to Hong Kong’s long-standing commitment to free trade. AmCham currently represents over 1,200 U.S. companies doing business in Hong Kong, of which over 800 are either regional offices or headquarters. U.S. companies appreciate the city’s free market orientation, transparent legal system, and well-established rule of law, which together provide a stable and predictable foundation for growth.

https://hk.usconsulate.gov/business/

Another reason why the people of Hong Kong were outside the American embassy calling for help from President Trump and carrying American flags.

The agreement with the UK, is that Hong Kong would keep their rights, China had other ideas.

As if China was going to let Hong Kong do it’s own thing for long.. Chuckle

But fair points you made. Chuckle

Communist China couldn't do shit were it not for City of London and pussy-whipped DC artificially propelling them to completely and utterly unearned pre-eminence.

This fight is not between China and UK at this point. China weren't sold UK debt for pennies on the dollar, after all. If China pushes the "sell" button, City of London suffers not at all. In fact, CoL ultimately wins under the pre-ordained plan. Pretty slick, eh?

Not slick enough. The U.S. has a Trump now, and he has emboldened those who value truth and reject the pre-ordained plan. Not holding back any more. Truth will win.
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This article from a blog tells how all this is going down. This is big.
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http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...191125.htm

25-Nov-19 World View -- Historic Hong Kong elections throw relations with China mainland into disarray

Taiwan's separatists boosted by Hong Kong election

by John J. Xenakis

(snip)

Hong Kong pro-democracy activists renew their 'Five Demands'
These historic upsets are going to "put wind in the sails" of the pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong and the pro-separatists in Taiwan.

In Hong Kong, pro-democracy activists are now demanding that Carrie Lam finally respond to the five demands that the protesters announced months ago.

The first demand was the withdrawal of the "extradition bill," which would have permitted the CCP to abduct and arrest people in Hong Kong and bring them to the mainland for prosecution. Carrie Lam finally withdrew the bill, but only after several months of equivocation.

During that period, the activists expanded what they wanted to a list of five demands. The five demands are for the withdrawal of the bill, an agreement not to call the clashes of June 12 a riot, amnesty for those arrested on that day, a commission inquiry into allegations of excessive use of force by the police and a push for genuine universal suffrage.

It was thought that the CCP would never agree to any of these demands (except the first), but now activists are saying that the climate must change because of the overwhelming pro-democracy victory in Hong Kong, which refutes the CCP claim of a "silent majority" supporting CCP. The activists claim that this victory forces Carrie Lam to open negotiations on the remaining four demands.

The CCP could do a lot to defuse the situation in Hong Kong by permitting Carrie Lam to open those negotiations with the pro-democracy activists. But that would be the smart thing to do, and as I've written many times, the CCP always one incredibly stupid thing after another. We'll see, but my expectation is that the CCP will do something stupid that will make things worse.

(end snip)

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So the new bill says that we could punish Hong Kong if we decide to do so. And it reiterated powers that were already given.

That gives freedom and democracy?

Jptdknpa
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(11-30-2019, 06:24 AM)BadBrad Wrote: This article from a blog tells how all this is going down. This is big.
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http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...191125.htm

25-Nov-19 World View -- Historic Hong Kong elections throw relations with China mainland into disarray

Taiwan's separatists boosted by Hong Kong election

by John J. Xenakis

(snip)

Hong Kong pro-democracy activists renew their 'Five Demands'
These historic upsets are going to "put wind in the sails" of the pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong and the pro-separatists in Taiwan.

In Hong Kong, pro-democracy activists are now demanding that Carrie Lam finally respond to the five demands that the protesters announced months ago.

The first demand was the withdrawal of the "extradition bill," which would have permitted the CCP to abduct and arrest people in Hong Kong and bring them to the mainland for prosecution. Carrie Lam finally withdrew the bill, but only after several months of equivocation.

During that period, the activists expanded what they wanted to a list of five demands. The five demands are for the withdrawal of the bill, an agreement not to call the clashes of June 12 a riot, amnesty for those arrested on that day, a commission inquiry into allegations of excessive use of force by the police and a push for genuine universal suffrage.

It was thought that the CCP would never agree to any of these demands (except the first), but now activists are saying that the climate must change because of the overwhelming pro-democracy victory in Hong Kong, which refutes the CCP claim of a "silent majority" supporting CCP. The activists claim that this victory forces Carrie Lam to open negotiations on the remaining four demands.

The CCP could do a lot to defuse the situation in Hong Kong by permitting Carrie Lam to open those negotiations with the pro-democracy activists. But that would be the smart thing to do, and as I've written many times, the CCP always one incredibly stupid thing after another. We'll see, but my expectation is that the CCP will do something stupid that will make things worse.

(end snip)

I was amazed that the election yielded the result it did for the
simple reason of the CCP's utter corruption. I would have thought
they would successfully manipulate any outcome not in their
favor to be otherwise. I wonder if those knowledgeable about the
situation there have spoken to this. I've only been following
the developments here on TF.

Eta the ridiculous and ongoing threats out of paper tiger China
are beyond insufferable. I pray we see that truly evil entity
completely vanquished in my lifetime.
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(11-30-2019, 05:06 PM)Alian Wrote: So the new bill says that we could punish Hong Kong if we decide to do so. And it reiterated powers that were already given.

That gives freedom and democracy?

Jptdknpa

Everyone in the Senate voted for it.
Only one vote in the House was against it.
I do not think it was what Mr. Art of the Deal wanted at this time
but how do you stop a Congressional tidal wave?

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(12-01-2019, 12:56 AM)Verity Wrote:
(11-30-2019, 06:24 AM)BadBrad Wrote: This article from a blog tells how all this is going down. This is big.
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http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...191125.htm

25-Nov-19 World View -- Historic Hong Kong elections throw relations with China mainland into disarray

Taiwan's separatists boosted by Hong Kong election

by John J. Xenakis

(snip)

Hong Kong pro-democracy activists renew their 'Five Demands'
These historic upsets are going to "put wind in the sails" of the pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong and the pro-separatists in Taiwan.

In Hong Kong, pro-democracy activists are now demanding that Carrie Lam finally respond to the five demands that the protesters announced months ago.

The first demand was the withdrawal of the "extradition bill," which would have permitted the CCP to abduct and arrest people in Hong Kong and bring them to the mainland for prosecution. Carrie Lam finally withdrew the bill, but only after several months of equivocation.

During that period, the activists expanded what they wanted to a list of five demands. The five demands are for the withdrawal of the bill, an agreement not to call the clashes of June 12 a riot, amnesty for those arrested on that day, a commission inquiry into allegations of excessive use of force by the police and a push for genuine universal suffrage.

It was thought that the CCP would never agree to any of these demands (except the first), but now activists are saying that the climate must change because of the overwhelming pro-democracy victory in Hong Kong, which refutes the CCP claim of a "silent majority" supporting CCP. The activists claim that this victory forces Carrie Lam to open negotiations on the remaining four demands.

The CCP could do a lot to defuse the situation in Hong Kong by permitting Carrie Lam to open those negotiations with the pro-democracy activists. But that would be the smart thing to do, and as I've written many times, the CCP always one incredibly stupid thing after another. We'll see, but my expectation is that the CCP will do something stupid that will make things worse.

(end snip)

I was amazed that the election yielded the result it did for the
simple reason of the CCP's utter corruption. I would have thought
they would successfully manipulate any outcome not in their
favor to be otherwise. I wonder if those knowledgeable about the
situation there have spoken to this. I've only been following
the developments here on TF.

Eta the ridiculous and ongoing threats out of paper tiger China
are beyond insufferable. I pray we see that truly evil entity
completely vanquished in my lifetime.

I'm with you on everything but for the paper Tiger.
China is able to deliver a world of hurt. Doing so to
helpless civilians does not seem to bother them too much.
They have come a long ways in technology thanks to the
Democrats starting with the Clintons.

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(12-01-2019, 06:07 AM)BadBrad Wrote:
(12-01-2019, 12:56 AM)Verity Wrote:
(11-30-2019, 06:24 AM)BadBrad Wrote: This article from a blog tells how all this is going down. This is big.
*********

http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/x...191125.htm

25-Nov-19 World View -- Historic Hong Kong elections throw relations with China mainland into disarray

Taiwan's separatists boosted by Hong Kong election

by John J. Xenakis

(snip)

Hong Kong pro-democracy activists renew their 'Five Demands'
These historic upsets are going to "put wind in the sails" of the pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong and the pro-separatists in Taiwan.

In Hong Kong, pro-democracy activists are now demanding that Carrie Lam finally respond to the five demands that the protesters announced months ago.

The first demand was the withdrawal of the "extradition bill," which would have permitted the CCP to abduct and arrest people in Hong Kong and bring them to the mainland for prosecution. Carrie Lam finally withdrew the bill, but only after several months of equivocation.

During that period, the activists expanded what they wanted to a list of five demands. The five demands are for the withdrawal of the bill, an agreement not to call the clashes of June 12 a riot, amnesty for those arrested on that day, a commission inquiry into allegations of excessive use of force by the police and a push for genuine universal suffrage.

It was thought that the CCP would never agree to any of these demands (except the first), but now activists are saying that the climate must change because of the overwhelming pro-democracy victory in Hong Kong, which refutes the CCP claim of a "silent majority" supporting CCP. The activists claim that this victory forces Carrie Lam to open negotiations on the remaining four demands.

The CCP could do a lot to defuse the situation in Hong Kong by permitting Carrie Lam to open those negotiations with the pro-democracy activists. But that would be the smart thing to do, and as I've written many times, the CCP always one incredibly stupid thing after another. We'll see, but my expectation is that the CCP will do something stupid that will make things worse.

(end snip)

I was amazed that the election yielded the result it did for the
simple reason of the CCP's utter corruption. I would have thought
they would successfully manipulate any outcome not in their
favor to be otherwise. I wonder if those knowledgeable about the
situation there have spoken to this. I've only been following
the developments here on TF.

Eta the ridiculous and ongoing threats out of paper tiger China
are beyond insufferable. I pray we see that truly evil entity
completely vanquished in my lifetime.

I'm with you on everything but for the paper Tiger.
China is able to deliver a world of hurt. Doing so to
helpless civilians does not seem to bother them too much.
They have come a long ways in technology thanks to the
Democrats starting with the Clintons.

Thanks @BadBrad. Likely you know better than I do as
you seem to follow these issues rather closely. I do
believe they are very prone to exaggerating their capabilities
as you indicated upthread. Of course as you also have noted
they are most dangerous at present to their own people who
suffer greatly in many ways I do understand. :(
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(11-29-2019, 06:44 PM)Bubbles Wrote:
(11-29-2019, 06:21 PM)KOMMA Wrote: The agreement with the UK, is that Hong Kong would keep their rights, China had other ideas.

As if China was going to let Hong Kong do it’s own thing for long.. Chuckle

But fair points you made. Chuckle

In accordance with the "one country, two systems" principle agreed between the UK and the PRC, the socialist system of PRC would not be practised in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), and Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and its way of life would remain unchanged for a period of 50 years until 2047
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Hong Kong Protesters Sing U.S. National Anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1qsoVLI...e=emb_logo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyRR2CquoSo
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