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Trump may or may not against Venezuela.
#31
Not long ago, 20% of US oil imports came from Venezuela.

It is not a poor region as far as resources go. They have the rainforest, a variety of agricultural climates, and ports on rivers and the sea. It is a desirable country and it is expected that we would want to profit from the cultivation of the region into a prosperous economy.

We were doing that, it was not bad altogether, compared to Nicaragua and Panama. Venezuela was like a neutral zone where the Soviets and the US could develop something together through a third party, and after the Cold War they simply had no effective oversight. We were busy blowing up the Middle East.

Chavez let his authority as executive go to his head, and it has gone downhill since. The US policy is being packaged as intervention on behalf of a once-effective nation that has become victim of a despot through manipulated or sham democracy.

The mission to save Venezuela from the dictator is a good backdrop for sending a few special forces teams or assisting local enforcement, probably a lot like the way the Iraq war worked. When the Russians get involved, it will be more like Korea or Vietnam, with foreign forces being supplied.

The way to prevent war in Venezuela is to enforce the genuine democracy of the sort guaranteed by a definite and enforceable code of law, and to have that process accepted by other democratic nations in terms of who is in charge there.
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#32
Only war I will ever support is a war cleaning up south America
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#33
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Eyeroll
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#34
This is going to be a military debacle and a humanitarian disaster and Trump is going to pin it on the neocons.

Both of those things always happen when the neoocons are put in charge and Trump is doing what he always does: creating a stage so his target can show the world their full crapulence in all its wretched glory.
Live without fear.
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#35
I hope not.










TITOR RIGHT AGAIN! Woot

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#36
No war coming in my opinion. V6sRZf4
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#37
(02-09-2019, 11:48 PM)bigD111 Wrote: No war coming in my opinion.   V6sRZf4

I don't see Trump as a war monger at all.
Just someone who wants to get shit done asap and put his energy to more constructive local use.


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#38
(02-09-2019, 11:48 PM)bigD111 Wrote: No war coming in my opinion.   V6sRZf4

I’m waiting for one of these America haters to claim Trump is going to invade France to save the yellow vests.

They’re like Jehovah witness is they never give up .
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total agreement makes you copy paste “


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#39
(02-08-2019, 12:21 PM)Treebeard Wrote: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo claims terror threat as cause for U.S. action in Venezuela
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told Fox News' Trish Regan that he believes Hezbollah has a presence in Venezuela
https://www.salon.com/2019/02/07/secreta...venezuela/

US Rejects Dialogue With Venezuelan President, Revokes Visas
Military ready to protect US diplomats in Venezuela https://news.antiwar.com/2019/02/07/us-r...kes-visas/

I would invite you to read both article and explore the hotlinks within the Antiwar piece.
This is all happening in rapid-fire motion. Yesterday as thousands of anti-Maduro Venezuelans crossed
into Colombia, I believe that is in preparation for a ground invasion they know is coming, it was not a
humanitarian crisis as portrayed by the American media. The Venezuelans were obviously strong, well-fed
and wore the same clothes we buy at malls. They are being allowed to leave before TSHTF.

The official (but not actual) casus belli for the US will be along these lines:
1) Diplomats or other American or "allied" personnel held or under threat or killed
2) Supposed "terrorist" group Hezbollah in Venezuela, likely untrue, except a few drug dealers, however
this means Trump can order military invasion without Congress because, like many other uses of American
military since 2001, it falls under the AUMF.
3) Manufactured "humanitarian crisis"

First thing... Salon? No really?

Second Thing... I have seen no evidence of him wanting to do anything but removes US from foreign entanglements.

We have no reason to wage war on Venezuela.

Who is doing the manufacturing of what?

I don't get you... Maybe I do..

Really try to like you, even after repeated disappointments.

How would you like a chop in the gooch?
 

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Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something.
They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful,
so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better
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#40
Venezuela is never going to invade anyone, nor
be a threat to anyone, nor does Venezuela have
any weapons of mass destruction, nor 'isis'.
Therefore,
taking over a sovereign, democratically
elected majority, would be a grave injustice and
a violation against international law.
There is no debating this, it would be wrong, so wrong,
Greed has become the downfall of u.s.
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