Welcome, Guest

 or  Register
NewsFeed

THE CONSPIRACY CAFE - Your source for Research, Smiles, and ukulele coffee
(01-13-2020, 03:42 PM)Fritzy Ritz Wrote:
(01-13-2020, 02:31 PM)Damrod Wrote:
(01-13-2020, 02:03 PM)Fritzy Ritz Wrote: "Nature abhors habit."

That phrase really struck me, especially in view of the push to get society into some kind of binary lockstep. His follow up with a path to re-connect was very logical, too.

Recently I was listening to a lecture about how animals communicate more with intent and tone than actual sounds. As people, we often rely solely on words. One of the reasons that internet posts/texting/etc. lose so much in the communication is because it is easy to misinterpret both the intention and the tone with which those words were written. So, just like McKenna says, it has removed us just a bit more from being in touch with our natural design. (And yeah, I'm aware of the irony of posting it using the very means that leaves this open for misinterpretation .  Chuckle  )

Great vid! Very inspiring! Hugs

I think the actual saying is

"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Nature is full of critters that are bound by their "habits" so to speak...a habit is a learned behavior that unconsciously repeats itself

Squirrels raiding my bird feeders after I fill them is a "habit" for them...

fortunately I have made it impossible for them to pilfer them anymore

still funny to watch the little fuzzy tailed rodents try to get around my defenses...

A vacuum will be filled by something ....nature will not stand for the empty

Oh, that is an interesting insight. I think I see your point:  eating is a habit, sleeping is a habit, yeah -- you're right.

So I wonder if the difference is habit for the sake of habit -- where we just do something over and over again without forethought just because everyone else does it or we're told to do it -- and habit with a purpose, like the squirrels persistently trying to get food because it's inherent to their survival. Might be closer to the question of want versus need maybe.

Great point!
Yeah, but all habits aren't bab and aren't a vacuum. The real quote is that nature abhors a vacuum. Glad that got specified. But I dig the habit aspect as as evolution relies on a few breaking the norm and branching out.
"Why don't you try speaking in words instead of your damn dirty lies?"
~Louise Belcher
Firefly, Frigg, Fritzy Ritz  likes this!
Reply Share
(01-13-2020, 02:10 PM)Fritzy Ritz Wrote: Everyone feel free to link to other threads in the forum if you think it's info that might "forum slide."

And thank you, @Wingsprint for all the good info you've been contributing up here.

Here's a cuppa joe, just for you!

[Image: soZp74P.png]

Your humble servant....and dumpster diver...

found some great boxes lately.... Chuckle
Firefly, Frigg, Fritzy Ritz, Heir, Lily  likes this!
Reply Share
(01-13-2020, 03:51 PM)Pure Rock fury Wrote:
(01-13-2020, 03:42 PM)Fritzy Ritz Wrote:
(01-13-2020, 02:31 PM)Damrod Wrote: I think the actual saying is

"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Nature is full of critters that are bound by their "habits" so to speak...a habit is a learned behavior that unconsciously repeats itself

Squirrels raiding my bird feeders after I fill them is a "habit" for them...

fortunately I have made it impossible for them to pilfer them anymore

still funny to watch the little fuzzy tailed rodents try to get around my defenses...

A vacuum will be filled by something ....nature will not stand for the empty

Oh, that is an interesting insight. I think I see your point:  eating is a habit, sleeping is a habit, yeah -- you're right.

So I wonder if the difference is habit for the sake of habit -- where we just do something over and over again without forethought just because everyone else does it or we're told to do it -- and habit with a purpose, like the squirrels persistently trying to get food because it's inherent to their survival. Might be closer to the question of want versus need maybe.

Great point!
Yeah, but all habits aren't bab and aren't a vacuum.  The real quote is that nature abhors a vacuum. Glad that got specified.  But I dig the habit aspect as as evolution relies on a few breaking the norm and branching out.

I think I made a mistake by quoting that from the video. I don't think McKenna was trying to confuse the quotes, but rather to illustrate how far we have strayed from the constant changes occurring in nature, possibly because many of us are locked into habit.

Take another look at the video -- it's short -- and see if you get a different impression of it. I could be wrong, of course, but I do like that this has sparked such an interesting conversation up here. Fringers amaze me with their ability to look at so many aspects of any issue up here. I learn so much from all of you.
______________________________
“First they steal the words, then they steal the meaning.” --George Orwell
Frigg  likes this!
Reply Share
(01-13-2020, 05:14 PM)Wingsprint Wrote:
(01-13-2020, 02:10 PM)Fritzy Ritz Wrote: Everyone feel free to link to other threads in the forum if you think it's info that might "forum slide."

And thank you, @Wingsprint for all the good info you've been contributing up here.

Here's a cuppa joe, just for you!

[Image: soZp74P.png]

Your humble servant....and dumpster diver...

found some great boxes lately.... Chuckle

Your dumpsters are more like treasure chests! Wink

Keep it coming.
______________________________
“First they steal the words, then they steal the meaning.” --George Orwell
Firefly, Frigg  likes this!
Reply Share
Uke of the night ... posted in the morning



______________________________
“First they steal the words, then they steal the meaning.” --George Orwell
Frigg, Heir  likes this!
Reply Share
It's a good day for an interesting conspiracy.

[Image: serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia0.giph...che=808331]
______________________________
“First they steal the words, then they steal the meaning.” --George Orwell
Frigg  likes this!
Reply Share
Here's one conspiracy that just keeps on giving....

______________________________
“First they steal the words, then they steal the meaning.” --George Orwell
Frigg, Heir  likes this!
Reply Share
Taken for a Ride

[Image: MV5BMWIzNDI4Y2YtNDA4ZC00YjI4LWEzZDAtYzE3...68_AL_.jpg]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_for_a_Ride

Taken for a Ride is a documentary film by Martha Olson and Jim Klein about the Great American Streetcar Scandal. The 55-minute film was first broadcast on August 6, 1996 on the PBS television series POV

Synopsis

Taken for a Ride begins with interviews on the inefficiencies and congestion on Los Angeles' highways. Next, the film displays a variety of archival footage on streetcar systems around the United States, asserting that streetcars were a widespread and efficient means of transportation. The film continues into a description of the General Motors streetcar conspiracy, starting with a history of National City Lines and Pacific City Lines and General Motors' investment in both companies. The film builds the argument that streetcar systems purchased by these companies were deliberately sabotaged through service reductions and fare increases, then replaced with profitable, less convenient, bus systems. Next, the film makes a connection between this conspiracy and the construction of the Interstate Highway System and the suburbanization of America in the face of the Highway revolts in the 1960s and 1970s. The film ends with footage of the reduction of Philadelphia's trolleybus system at the time of filming.


Taken for a Ride (1996) PBS Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-I8GDklsN4


General Motors streetcar conspiracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mo...conspiracy

The notion of a General Motors streetcar conspiracy emerged after General Motors (GM) and other companies were convicted of monopolizing the sale of buses and supplies to National City Lines (NCL) and its subsidiaries. In the same case, the defendants were accused of conspiring to own or control transit systems, in violation of Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust act. The suit created lingering suspicions that the defendants had in fact plotted to dismantle streetcar systems in many cities in the United States as an attempt to monopolize surface transportation.

Between 1938 and 1950, National City Lines and its subsidiaries, American City Lines and Pacific City Lines—with investment from GM, Firestone Tire, Standard Oil of California (through a subsidiary), Federal Engineering, Phillips Petroleum, and Mack Trucks—gained control of additional transit systems in about 25 cities.[3] Systems included St. Louis, Baltimore, Los Angeles, and Oakland. NCL often converted streetcars to bus operations in that period, although electric traction was preserved or expanded in some locations. Other systems, such as San Diego's, were converted by outgrowths of the City Lines. Most of the companies involved were convicted in 1949 of conspiracy to monopolize interstate commerce in the sale of buses, fuel, and supplies to NCL subsidiaries, but were acquitted of conspiring to monopolize the transit industry.

The story as an urban legend has been written about by Martha Bianco, Scott Bottles, Sy Adler, Jonathan Richmond,[4] and Robert Post. It has been explored several times in print, film, and other media, notably in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Taken for a Ride, Internal Combustion, and The End of Suburbia.

Only a handful of U.S. cities, including San Francisco, New Orleans, Newark, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Boston, have surviving legacy rail urban transport systems based on streetcars, although their systems are significantly smaller than they once were. Other cities are re-introducing streetcars. In some cases, the streetcars do not actually ride on the street. Boston had all of its downtown lines elevated or buried by the mid-1920s, and most of the surviving lines at grade operate on their own right of way. However, San Francisco's and Philadelphia's lines do have large portions of the route that ride on the street as well as using tunnels.
Frigg, Fritzy Ritz  likes this!
Reply Share
Didja notice how utuber muted the sound on the first vid, their latest method of censorship!

The dailymotion one (second choice) works better.

I grew up in Detroit. I hate General Motors for a number of reasons. I'll cite a couple of reasons later.
______________________________
“First they steal the words, then they steal the meaning.” --George Orwell
Frigg, Wingsprint  likes this!
Reply Share
(01-15-2020, 03:42 PM)Fritzy Ritz Wrote: Didja notice how utuber muted the sound on the first vid, their latest method of censorship!

The dailymotion one (second choice) works better.

I grew up in Detroit. I hate General Motors for a number of reasons. I'll cite a couple of reasons later.

fixed for ya sorry....copied wrong one...
Fritzy Ritz  likes this!
Reply Share

Post Thread  Back To Forum
[-]
Quick Reply
Message
Type your reply to this message here.

Please select the number: 4
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10