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The beef industry, of which I am part of has been moving away from antibiotics for 15 years. Here at the ranch, we use chelated minerals that keeps the cattle healthy and the calves, and that has eliminated 98% of antibiotic use. The feedlots have done the same. It is much better than it used to be. The Hutterites are converting their chicken operations to open range, and that has also reduced the use of antibiotics. There is still work to do, but we have heard from consumers and are responding! Heartflowers
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(01-17-2019, 05:31 PM)Frigg Wrote:
(01-17-2019, 04:40 PM)MysticPizza Wrote:
(01-17-2019, 03:38 PM)=42 Wrote: This of course goes beyond the "Brands" of the processed food from the mega corps!

Most of our grains and (mono) crops are GMO and soaked in chemical fertilizers, Herbicides, Pesticides, etc...

Most of our meat production occurs in high density confinement systems that promote disease, so antibiotics, etc... are necessary. And of course they are fed GMO corn and grains.

Most of our food is tainted in one way or another before it ends up as processed food on the shelves!

It's not just food Europe doesn't want. About 10 years ago,a friend from Lisbon and I were chatting about drinking. Bourbon came up and he said the only Kentucky bourbon the EU allows is Wild Turkey because they don't use GMO corn. He had some in front of him as we were talking, in fact Chuckle

Turkey 101 The Kickin Chicken!!!!  Rooster Crows!!!

The Cadillac of whiskey binges. Yeah3
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(01-17-2019, 06:37 PM)bigD111 Wrote: The beef industry, of which I am part of has been moving away from antibiotics for 15 years.  Here at the ranch, we use chelated minerals that keeps the cattle healthy and the calves, and that has eliminated 98% of antibiotic use.  The feedlots have done the same.  It is much better than it used to be.  The Hutterites are converting their chicken operations to open range, and that has also reduced the use of antibiotics.  There is still work to do, but we have heard from consumers and are responding!   Heartflowers

Kiss I've noticed a growing trend with some brands of chicken as well. I get Loki a bag of leg quarters 3x a month and that serves as his base diet. One a day. Until a few months ago when I noticed the quarters were smaller...normal sized Cheer No more growth hormones? Yes please. Makes his food slightly more expensive but well worth his health. To all of you ranchers and farmers trying so hard to provide good,clean food.Hugs
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(01-17-2019, 06:52 PM)MysticPizza Wrote:
(01-17-2019, 06:37 PM)bigD111 Wrote: The beef industry, of which I am part of has been moving away from antibiotics for 15 years.  Here at the ranch, we use chelated minerals that keeps the cattle healthy and the calves, and that has eliminated 98% of antibiotic use.  The feedlots have done the same.  It is much better than it used to be.  The Hutterites are converting their chicken operations to open range, and that has also reduced the use of antibiotics.  There is still work to do, but we have heard from consumers and are responding!   Heartflowers

Kiss  I've noticed a growing trend with some brands of chicken as well. I get Loki a bag of leg quarters 3x a month and that serves as his base diet. One a day. Until a few months ago when I noticed the quarters were smaller...normal sized  Cheer  No more growth hormones? Yes please. Makes his food slightly more expensive but well worth his health. To all of you ranchers and farmers trying so hard to provide good,clean food.Hugs

Amen, chicken breasts aren't supposed to be the same size as a rump roast. We let our chickens free range, and you can tell an immediate difference in their eggs when they don't get out of the pen. I just can't do store bought eggs anymore, they are tasteless.
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(01-17-2019, 06:37 PM)bigD111 Wrote: The beef industry, of which I am part of has been moving away from antibiotics for 15 years.  Here at the ranch, we use chelated minerals that keeps the cattle healthy and the calves, and that has eliminated 98% of antibiotic use.  The feedlots have done the same.  It is much better than it used to be.  The Hutterites are converting their chicken operations to open range, and that has also reduced the use of antibiotics.  There is still work to do, but we have heard from consumers and are responding!   Heartflowers

Knowing you are involved with cattle, I was hoping you would show up. It is encouraging that you are feeling some pressure from consumers and responding to it! Are you responding individually, or are the changes you are making more industry wide?

How big is your operation?

Besides Cattle (and hunting) do you produce anything else?
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(01-17-2019, 07:06 PM)=42 Wrote:
(01-17-2019, 06:37 PM)bigD111 Wrote: The beef industry, of which I am part of has been moving away from antibiotics for 15 years.  Here at the ranch, we use chelated minerals that keeps the cattle healthy and the calves, and that has eliminated 98% of antibiotic use.  The feedlots have done the same.  It is much better than it used to be.  The Hutterites are converting their chicken operations to open range, and that has also reduced the use of antibiotics.  There is still work to do, but we have heard from consumers and are responding!   Heartflowers

Knowing you are involved with cattle, I was hoping you would show up. It is encouraging that you are feeling some pressure from consumers and responding to it! Are you responding individually, or are the changes you are making more industry wide?

How big is your operation?

Besides Cattle (and hunting) do you produce anything else?

It wasn't consumer pressure, it was to our advantage to find a solution, and we did. We hated having sick calves and losing them, we finally figured out what the causes were, and we solved the problem. Ours was a deficiency of copper in our feeds. For others,it was a selenium deficiency, and for some, they had sulphur in the water which was tying up the copper. It didn't help that our vets had less knowledge than we did. The cows and calves both eat the mineral, and it has made all the cows much healthier too.
Right now we are running 400 cows, we used to run 700, but not anymore. We rent out our excess grass. We also raise some winter wheat, but none of it is GMO. Never have. There is some around, but it is rare, imho. Most of the wheat these days is a hybrid, but that is not the same. They cross different varieties to get the hybrids, and this is common practice.We do use roundup (glyphosate), because it is very cost effective, and the only way we can no till farm. Until we hear from our universities that it is damaging the environment, or people's health, we will continue to do so. Hemp has been legalized, and we are looking at it, but would probably need irrigation to grow it, and that is not practical here. I raise some oats and barley on occasion, and we put up a lot of hay!
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Just stop eating processed food, there's your problem, you folks can't eat anything without covering in a tin of this and a packet of that. Eat fresh, there is nothing wrong with anything grown fresh whether GM or not. Wash your vegetables if you are concerned about chemical residue but just stop eating shit out of a packet.

You're lazy cooks for the most part who prefer convenience over healthy food.
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(01-17-2019, 08:42 PM)dazedb42 Wrote: Just stop eating processed food, there's your problem, you folks can't eat anything without covering in a tin of this and a packet of that.  Eat fresh, there is nothing wrong with anything grown fresh whether GM or not. Wash your vegetables if you are concerned about chemical residue but just stop eating shit out of a packet.

You're lazy cooks for the most part who prefer convenience over healthy food.

Definitely a good place to start! Unfortunately conventional crops have chemical "residue" in the plant tissue, not just on the outside and the nutrient densities of these foods decrease every year.
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(01-17-2019, 07:00 PM)twitchy Wrote:
(01-17-2019, 06:52 PM)MysticPizza Wrote:
(01-17-2019, 06:37 PM)bigD111 Wrote: The beef industry, of which I am part of has been moving away from antibiotics for 15 years.  Here at the ranch, we use chelated minerals that keeps the cattle healthy and the calves, and that has eliminated 98% of antibiotic use.  The feedlots have done the same.  It is much better than it used to be.  The Hutterites are converting their chicken operations to open range, and that has also reduced the use of antibiotics.  There is still work to do, but we have heard from consumers and are responding!   Heartflowers

Kiss  I've noticed a growing trend with some brands of chicken as well. I get Loki a bag of leg quarters 3x a month and that serves as his base diet. One a day. Until a few months ago when I noticed the quarters were smaller...normal sized  Cheer  No more growth hormones? Yes please. Makes his food slightly more expensive but well worth his health. To all of you ranchers and farmers trying so hard to provide good,clean food.Hugs

Amen, chicken breasts aren't supposed to be the same size as a rump roast. We let our chickens free range, and you can tell an immediate difference in their eggs when they don't get out of the pen. I just can't do store bought eggs anymore, they are tasteless.

we raise our own free range chickens for eggs and meat, about 7 or 8 years ago we sometimes would give them some scratch feed on days they could not get out because of weather, we noticed there was lots more corn in that feed and when we butchered we notice the liver and some other organs were off color and mushy, not edible, it was the GMO corn, we stopped that feed and next butchering was all back to normal!
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