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The (Broken) American Food System
#41
(02-22-2019, 12:45 PM)=42 Wrote:
(02-22-2019, 12:36 PM)sivil Wrote: To be honest, when I'm shopping I look for clearance items, often they are half off.  Yogurt is good for 30 days past expiry, when it expires its half price, but luckily most of the population don't know its still good.  Coffee and tea pretty much keep forever.  

Sometimes you can save money by going to deal sites like Fat Wallet.  I like to shop for sales too, there are apps that let you compare prices from all the grocery stores now like Flipp.  You can also save money by sending in your grocery receipt to something like Checkout51.

Vegetables, the same thing, I get them clearance, stuff like Apples have been picked a year ago anyways.  I use them for juicing mainly.  If you eat them in the first week you are still ok I find.

Anyways, there is some info to save money on your food budget, hope it helps.  Food is probably the biggest expense after your rent or mortgage.

The average American family now spends a higher percentage of their income on healthcare than food!

Sorry I am not from your country, I did not know that.
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#42
If you're waiting for the government to bring you save wholesome food you are waiting in vain. The only food you can actually trust is the food that you grow/raise yourself. Farmers market are great but now days even that can be a pain to find actual locally grown food as well. Some vendors go to warehouses and by their produce to sell at the farmers market and tell the public that they grew it. They don't care if it is gmo as long as there is a buck in it for them. Buyer beware. Trust no one. Learn to produce your own grub and you'll be fine.
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(02-22-2019, 01:47 PM)Dark Moon Wrote: If you're waiting for the government to bring you save wholesome food you are waiting in vain. The only food you can actually trust is the food that you grow/raise yourself. Farmers market are great but now days even that can be a pain to find actual locally grown food as well. Some vendors go to warehouses and by their produce to sell at the farmers market and tell the public that they grew it. They don't care if it is gmo as long as there is a buck in it for them. Buyer beware. Trust no one. Learn to produce your own grub and you'll be fine.

As far as my own food sovereignty, I'm not there yet. But, I may have located a property that is suitable for the "joel Salatin" model farm I want to develop. I will be visiting it soon to know for sure that it is suitable.

I agree that it is important to know your farmer and visit his operation to be certain that the food you are buying is as represented. I have not heard of any instances of farmers market purveyors selling "standard" goods as organic, but I'm sure it has happened somewhere.
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#44
(02-22-2019, 01:58 PM)=42 Wrote:
(02-22-2019, 01:47 PM)Dark Moon Wrote: If you're waiting for the government to bring you save wholesome food you are waiting in vain. The only food you can actually trust is the food that you grow/raise yourself. Farmers market are great but now days even that can be a pain to find actual locally grown food as well. Some vendors go to warehouses and by their produce to sell at the farmers market and tell the public that they grew it. They don't care if it is gmo as long as there is a buck in it for them. Buyer beware. Trust no one. Learn to produce your own grub and you'll be fine.

As far as my own food sovereignty, I'm not there yet. But, I may have located a property that is suitable for the "joel Salatin" model farm I want to develop. I will be visiting it soon to know for sure that it is suitable.

I agree that it is important to know your farmer and visit his operation to be certain that the food you are buying is as represented. I have not heard of any instances of farmers market purveyors selling "standard" goods as organic, but I'm sure it has happened somewhere.

Many youtube video's showing farmers market vendors being caught red handed selling warehouse produce claiming it is homegrown. Instead of buying land to grow on you can lease it. It is better to lease it under contract than to buy it. Saves you a hell of a lot of money doing it that way.
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(02-22-2019, 02:06 PM)Dark Moon Wrote:
(02-22-2019, 01:58 PM)=42 Wrote:
(02-22-2019, 01:47 PM)Dark Moon Wrote: If you're waiting for the government to bring you save wholesome food you are waiting in vain. The only food you can actually trust is the food that you grow/raise yourself. Farmers market are great but now days even that can be a pain to find actual locally grown food as well. Some vendors go to warehouses and by their produce to sell at the farmers market and tell the public that they grew it. They don't care if it is gmo as long as there is a buck in it for them. Buyer beware. Trust no one. Learn to produce your own grub and you'll be fine.

As far as my own food sovereignty, I'm not there yet. But, I may have located a property that is suitable for the "joel Salatin" model farm I want to develop. I will be visiting it soon to know for sure that it is suitable.

I agree that it is important to know your farmer and visit his operation to be certain that the food you are buying is as represented. I have not heard of any instances of farmers market purveyors selling "standard" goods as organic, but I'm sure it has happened somewhere.

Many youtube video's showing farmers market vendors being caught red handed selling warehouse produce claiming it is homegrown. Instead of buying land to grow on you can lease it. It is better to lease it under contract than to buy it. Saves you a hell of a lot of money doing it that way.

Technically, I will be leasing land but will own it in about 10 years +/- (its complicated). Owning (or my situation) allows you to make permanent infrastructure upgrades, fencing, barns, etc... Leasing is a good option too, I almost had to go that route.
Because Settled Science is not science, it’s politics, a talking point, a means to a totalitarian end, even after reality proves this Settled Science is built on quicksand.
   ~ John Nolte

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(03-09-2019, 10:56 AM)Talon Wrote: A political storm is brewing between the United Kingdom (UK) and the US with regard to food safety. As a result, some unsavory, ineffective US agricultural practices are being uncovered.

US Ambassador to the UK Woody Johnson caused uproar there last weekend when he called the European Union (EU) a “museum of agriculture.” He urged the British public to embrace modern, US farming practices — currently banned in the EU as unsafe — to secure a trade deal once the UK leaves the EU.

Former UK Agriculture Minister George Eustace responded angrily to Johnson’s suggestion that the UK  should let its food standards slip. He called US legislation on animal welfare “woefully deficient,” and wrote that “there is a general resistance to even acknowledging the existence of sentience in farm animals,” an attitude which he characterized described as “quite extraordinary.”

At the heart of the disagreement is the way chicken meat is disinfected with chlorinated water once it has been slaughtered, and the practise of injecting cattle with hormones. The sale of hormonally-treated beef is banned in the UK, and chlorine is not used to clean chicken.

Johnson doubled down on his defense of US agriculture practices later in the week, telling BBC Radio 4’s Today program, “If I had my choice between chicken that was clean and safe and that didn’t have poisons on it I would take the one that had been cleaned sufficiently. He went on to say “most Americans would feel that our food is safe, and cost effective and humane.”

But if the meat was treated better in the first place it wouldn’t need to be treated with chemicals at the end of the process, according to a British scientist. Erik Millstone is emeritus professor of science policy at the University of Sussex in the UK and an expert on food safety policy. He says that if animals weren’t kept in such crowded conditions in the first place, the opportunity for infection to pass between animals would be reduced, and with it the need for hormone injections.

“Over the last 10 years the use of antibiotics in livestock in the US has approximately doubled, where in the European Union it has approximately halved,” he said.

And what of this “chlorinated chicken” the Brits are so nervous about? Surely it can’t be as bad as all that Mad Cow Disease–ridden beef the UK was banned from exporting in the 1980s? Millstone suggests that chlorine is only the start of US chicken’s brush with chemicals. “The American process tolerates higher rates of infection in their livestock and treats the product at the end of the slaughtering process not only with chlorinated water, but with five other chemical disinfectants.”

The real problem, according to a recent English study, is that these six disinfectants do more harm than good. Researchers at the University of Southampton found that the chemical washes only mask bacteria from detection. While this allows the meat to slip through FDA inspections and end up on refrigerator shelves, in fact the potentially deadly salmonella and listeria remain as virulent as though the meat hadn’t been treated at all.

Related: Big Chicken Rules Roost in Trump White House

This news of chicken’s ineffective chemical treatment  may well turn some readers vegetarian, or at least persuade them to source their meat ethically. Indeed, many American consumers are already doing just that — getting their chickens and steaks from organic meat shares and farmers markets around the country.

But “big ag”will hardly give up its stranglehold on the meat industry without a fight.With a pro-business president in office, powerful food-industry lobby groups have asked to remove safety speed limits on chicken-processing lines. That request was rejected thanks to a strong reaction from unions, but other rulings in their favor have been approved. And there may be more to come.

This week’s videos are an animated explanation of what chlorinated chicken is, a clip of an English farmer with his hens, and a clip of a different way of farming eggs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dTVh0HbPY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC7PPwh8u4U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqwRLdBsFw8

https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/03/09/picky-...hould-you/

https://the-fringe.com/thread-picky_brit...should_you
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   ~ John Nolte

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#47
Here is a newer video of a Joel Salatin presentation on how our food system evolved, the problems inherent in the system and of course, viable alternatives.

Joel answers the question "Can we feed the world" using natural methods vs. factory, chemical agriculture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcEbv93O3c
Because Settled Science is not science, it’s politics, a talking point, a means to a totalitarian end, even after reality proves this Settled Science is built on quicksand.
   ~ John Nolte

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(03-15-2019, 02:07 PM)=42 Wrote: Here is a newer video of a Joel Salatin presentation on how our food system evolved, the problems inherent in the system and of course, viable alternatives.

Joel answers the question "Can we feed the world" using natural methods vs. factory, chemical agriculture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcEbv93O3c

Just want to add.... the video above is an hour +, but there is nothing to see. You can just listen in the background while you do something else.
Because Settled Science is not science, it’s politics, a talking point, a means to a totalitarian end, even after reality proves this Settled Science is built on quicksand.
   ~ John Nolte

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#49
Doesn't help when stuff is marketed as organic when it really isn't.
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#50
Can't argue with that! As a consumer, know and trust your farmer. The best way to do this is to visit the farm and see with your own eyes how the food is raised.
Because Settled Science is not science, it’s politics, a talking point, a means to a totalitarian end, even after reality proves this Settled Science is built on quicksand.
   ~ John Nolte

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