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(01-12-2018, 08:01 PM)liz1 Wrote: @Blue - There is much truth in what you wrote. I do think as a people we are culturally conditioned to champion the underdog and want a level of protection and fairness for all.

The idea that lower middle class Americans vote Republican both fascinates and dismays me at the same time. Sure I can giggle at something Trump says but also I am appalled that it is an American president speaking the words.

The reason we vote republican is they leave us alone for the most part. The dems think they know whats best for you and will implement it like it or not.
Our dems are anti personal freedom, they want control over all aspects of our lives. For our own good of course.

Ideally a constitutional or libertarian party candidate with some common sense would give us the freedom back we had.
The two party system is corrupt to the core.
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@CatBird - I'm not really wanting to get into a detailed discussion of Trumps business. I'm not qualified to do so but I'll give you one example that I think should raise alarm bells.

Trump Estates Park Residence in Dubai are a Trump branded real-estate development that should cause American to question how far they should allow their leader to be allied (business wise) with foreign powers and open to influence from project participants. I understand that the constitution prohibits leaders from investment in companies which may give foreign governments the means to influence the president.

The idea that as President Trump should be more distanced from his business interests is an ongoing conversation by ethicists and constituents alike. He has also as yet still failed to release his tax returns which every American president has done since Gerald Ford. Americans should be entitled to ask him to put Americas business interests above his own.
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Balls the size of Texas.
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@IRTdub - My understanding of the Republican party is that they support the death penalty, would make abortion illegal if they could, and the majority of candidates don't support gay marriage. That sounds fairly controlling to me.

I sympathise with your lack of choice but faced with the choice you have, I do think that a party concerned with providing universal health care and being concerned with social responsibility, is what a country with a growing disparity between the haves and the have nots needs.
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@lol there you go.
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(01-12-2018, 09:02 PM)liz1 Wrote: @IRTdub - My understanding of the Republican party is that they support the death penalty, would make abortion illegal if they could, and the majority of candidates don't support gay marriage. That sounds fairly controlling to me.

I sympathise with your lack of choice but faced with the choice you have, I do think that a party concerned with providing universal health care and being concerned with social responsibility, is what a country with a growing disparity between the haves and the have nots needs.

It's not the governments job to provide for us cradle to grave.

To the rest of your comments.

Some people need to die. They have no right to breath free air and I don't want to pay to feed and house them. Pedophiles and murderers anyone?
I don't care if someone want's to kill their unborn child but look at the founder of planned parenthood. Margaret Sanger, a eugenicist.
I don't care who gets married, gays should have the same right to be miserable as the rest of us.

Dems like important things like making sure a man can use the restroom with your daughter.
How much soda you can have (New York). There many more examples.

Contrary to popular belief, the dems are the racist party.
Who freed the slaves?
Who championed civil rights in the 60's? Conversely, look at who was against civil rights.

The dems project, whatever you are accused of is what they do. Look at some history that isn't tainted by the modern liberal.
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(01-12-2018, 07:39 PM)Aquarius Wrote:
(01-12-2018, 06:23 PM)liz1 Wrote: Did he say shit? Probably, his language is less than erudite but regardless there is no doubt he was speaking in derogatory terms. A diplomat and a statesman he is not. Perhaps he will grow into his role. Not a good look America.

We didn't elect him because he is a polished, smooth-talking "diplomat and statesman".  
We elected him because we believe he is our ONLY chance to correct the corruption of the past several decades.

M A G A

Oh, and btw ... The last time we elected a "polished, smooth-talking diplomat and statesman", which was in 2008, it darn near destroyed our nation !!! Scream1
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.  
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@IRTdub  - You and I must agree to disagree about what a governments "job" is.  I do think that a government is responsible for creating a society that looks to the basic needs of all of its citizen, particularly at the beginning and end of life where we are at our most vulnerable.
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(01-12-2018, 09:35 PM)liz1 Wrote: @IRTdub  - You and I must agree to disagree about what a governments "job" is.  I do think that a government is responsible for creating a society that looks to the basic needs of all of its citizen, particularly at the beginning and end of life where we are at our most vulnerable.

This is where the USA differs from every other nation.
According to our Constitution, the main role of our government is to "protect its citizens from enemies, both foreign and domestic", plus whatever other Rights are granted to government BY THE STATES.

In our nation, it is WE THE PEOPLE who are responsible for creating a society that "looks to the basic needs of all its citizens", including of course "at the beginning and end of life where we are at our most vulnerable".
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.  
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