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NOW THE WORST FARMING CRISIS IN MODERN HISTORY IS UPON US
#51
(08-14-2019, 09:38 AM)Dark Moon Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 09:29 AM)Lobster Boy Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 09:24 AM)Dark Moon Wrote: I doubt that anyone is listening.

True. I am seeing it happen in real time here. My garden is the shittiest it has EVER been and I've been behind a hoe for over 50 years. The crops in fields that have been planted are spotty and look like they are going to mildew because of all the rain.

You need a high tunnel or a greenhouse. This weather isn't changing for years to come.

It may come to that. The last two years have been the wettest and snow filled that I have seen.
"One shitty decision away from disaster"
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#52
(08-14-2019, 12:11 AM)dazedb42 Wrote:
(08-13-2019, 11:56 PM)Apache54 Wrote:
(08-13-2019, 10:59 PM)dazedb42 Wrote: I didn't realize that you were out of town.

Burden of proof is yours to provide, you want to make bullshit claims, back it up.

Well i guess we can split hairs as I can just as easily say your claim is bullshit as well, and since you started the thread then it is your burden of proof to show your correct,  and yes I am out of town for another several weeks.
I don't make bullshit claims,  in my world fact is fact and that is what counts. bullshit does not send missiles into orbit and nor does it allow one to do many things that require fact, I don't make bullshit claims. but then your certainly entitled to your    beliefs, LOL

I can't prove a negative. You have to prove that GM is dangerous. It's simple really but if you want to argue a strawman with dubious appeals to authority while erroneously claiming that I started the thread I have question the veracity of your claim that you don't deal in bullshit.

KEK.

You did not start this thread, You started the part of this thread saying i was saying bullshit, you need to keep your facts strait not me,
and since "like I said" i am not home to get any records i have on this subject, what i can say from my own experience on GMO corn, is watching my wife's chickens start to die with a shortened life span and when we butchered them we started finding their livers and hearts were in terrible shape which was causing the premature death, we have been raising chickens and butchering them for years and NEVER seen this before, only thing changed was the diet of GMO'd corn had been drastically increased in the feed we were using, I talked to our local vet and HE agreed it was the GMO'd corn and even he knew the dangers of GMO'd types of food, we took the chickens OFF ALL corn and they changed back to long life and healthy innards in a few months. soy beans is another GMO'd product that even the naturalpathic doctors know you can't use the soy unless it has been fermented that will make it OK to use. I could go on and on, and then again you'll just call my own experience with doctor's comment bullshit. so you just go ahead and believe what you will and maybe someday you'll wake up. and don't use the straw man cop-out as a valid excuse, authority has nothing to do with it either, IT is the authority type organizations that ARE doing it, so turn your negativity towards investigating them and you'll also find the same information with more than adequate scientific information backing up what I am saying, also why do you think so many countries have banned GMO'd food?
anyway i have a long drive today so that is all i'm saying at the moment.
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(08-14-2019, 10:53 AM)Apache54 Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 12:11 AM)dazedb42 Wrote:
(08-13-2019, 11:56 PM)Apache54 Wrote: Well i guess we can split hairs as I can just as easily say your claim is bullshit as well, and since you started the thread then it is your burden of proof to show your correct,  and yes I am out of town for another several weeks.
I don't make bullshit claims,  in my world fact is fact and that is what counts. bullshit does not send missiles into orbit and nor does it allow one to do many things that require fact, I don't make bullshit claims. but then your certainly entitled to your    beliefs, LOL

I can't prove a negative. You have to prove that GM is dangerous. It's simple really but if you want to argue a strawman with dubious appeals to authority while erroneously claiming that I started the thread I have question the veracity of your claim that you don't deal in bullshit.

KEK.

You did not start this thread, You started the part of this  thread saying i was saying bullshit, you need to keep your facts strait not me,
and since "like I said" i am not home to get any records i have on this subject, what i can say from my own experience on GMO corn, is watching my wife's chickens start to die with a shortened life span and when we butchered them we started finding their livers and hearts were in terrible shape which was causing the premature death, we have been raising chickens and butchering them for years and NEVER seen this before, only thing changed was the diet of GMO'd corn had been drastically increased in the feed we were using, I talked to our local vet and HE agreed it was the GMO'd corn and even he knew the dangers of GMO'd types of food, we took the chickens OFF ALL corn and they changed back to long life and healthy innards in a few months. soy beans is another GMO'd product that even the naturalpathic  doctors know you can't use the soy unless it has been fermented that will make it OK to use. I could go on and on, and then again you'll just call my own experience with doctor's comment bullshit. so you just go ahead and believe what you will and maybe someday you'll wake up. and don't use the straw man cop-out as a valid excuse, authority has nothing to do with it either, IT is the authority type organizations that ARE doing it, so turn your negativity towards investigating them and you'll also find the same information with more than adequate scientific information backing up what I am saying, also why do you think so many countries have banned GMO'd food?
anyway i have a long drive today so that is all i'm saying at the moment.

GMO is population control soft kill. That is my opinion.
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(08-14-2019, 08:15 AM)WNC Wrote:
(08-13-2019, 09:08 PM)Apache54 Wrote:
(08-13-2019, 08:47 PM)WNC Wrote: Never paid much attention to this GMO stuff, but I think this has been going on long before any of us were born (that would be 65 years for me). Would like to hear your comments on this.

They been making Hybrid plants for long time now, GMO is only been officially around and in large scale since the late 80's

Well I going to show my ignorance, but what is the difference between the two, both are plant altering processes?

There is nothing wrong with asking a question and or not knowing something. A smart person knows to find out.
when growing any type of plant there always is different grades of healthy plants due to many reason's they take ONLY the healthiest plant and then they cross pollinate it with something else to change it without altering the plant's DNA, so in essence it has not been scientifically changed. NOW GMO'd is a different animal they have done things to change the plants DNA and that can include like in corn adding a poison to it that kills corn worms. this not only changes the entire plants DNA it has been shown to cause molecular changes to the cells which they believe will effect the animal or person eating the food. many counties have banned some or all GMO's food.
this is a short story of the basics of the differences hope this helps.
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(08-14-2019, 10:57 AM)Dark Moon Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 10:53 AM)Apache54 Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 12:11 AM)dazedb42 Wrote: I can't prove a negative. You have to prove that GM is dangerous. It's simple really but if you want to argue a strawman with dubious appeals to authority while erroneously claiming that I started the thread I have question the veracity of your claim that you don't deal in bullshit.

KEK.

You did not start this thread, You started the part of this  thread saying i was saying bullshit, you need to keep your facts strait not me,
and since "like I said" i am not home to get any records i have on this subject, what i can say from my own experience on GMO corn, is watching my wife's chickens start to die with a shortened life span and when we butchered them we started finding their livers and hearts were in terrible shape which was causing the premature death, we have been raising chickens and butchering them for years and NEVER seen this before, only thing changed was the diet of GMO'd corn had been drastically increased in the feed we were using, I talked to our local vet and HE agreed it was the GMO'd corn and even he knew the dangers of GMO'd types of food, we took the chickens OFF ALL corn and they changed back to long life and healthy innards in a few months. soy beans is another GMO'd product that even the naturalpathic  doctors know you can't use the soy unless it has been fermented that will make it OK to use. I could go on and on, and then again you'll just call my own experience with doctor's comment bullshit. so you just go ahead and believe what you will and maybe someday you'll wake up. and don't use the straw man cop-out as a valid excuse, authority has nothing to do with it either, IT is the authority type organizations that ARE doing it, so turn your negativity towards investigating them and you'll also find the same information with more than adequate scientific information backing up what I am saying, also why do you think so many countries have banned GMO'd food?
anyway i have a long drive today so that is all i'm saying at the moment.

GMO is population control soft kill. That is my opinion.

I also have come to that conclusion myself! as there are so many other options than what they chose to do.
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(08-14-2019, 11:10 AM)Apache54 Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 08:15 AM)WNC Wrote:
(08-13-2019, 09:08 PM)Apache54 Wrote: They been making Hybrid plants for long time now, GMO is only been officially around and in large scale since the late 80's

Well I going to show my ignorance, but what is the difference between the two, both are plant altering processes?

There is nothing wrong with asking a question and or not knowing something.  A smart person knows to find out.
when growing any type of plant there always is different grades of healthy plants due to many reason's they take ONLY the healthiest plant and then they cross pollinate it with something else to change it without altering the plant's DNA, so in essence it as not been scientifically changed. NOW GMO'd is a different animal they have done things to change the plants DNA and that can include like in corn adding a poison to it that kills corn worms. this not only changes the entire plants DNA it has been shown to cause molecular changes to the cells which they believe will effect the animal or person eating the food. many counties have banned some or all GMO's food.
this is a short story of the basics of the differences hope this helps.

Thanks.
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#57
If you are bored and have time to watch this is a good one.  Heartflowers

80,000+ Chemicals & Viruses Found in Fertilizers | Chemical Fertilizer vs Organic Fertilizer

Farms across the US are now contaminated with 80,000+ chemicals and viruses, even organic farms.  Some organic produce is found to be more contaminated than non-organic.  Many are unknowingly buying contaminated soil, compost, and fertilizers and use it in their own gardens.  families.



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(08-14-2019, 11:41 AM)Dark Moon Wrote: If you are bored and have time to watch this is a good one.  Heartflowers

80,000+ Chemicals & Viruses Found in Fertilizers | Chemical Fertilizer vs Organic Fertilizer

Farms across the US are now contaminated with 80,000+ chemicals and viruses, even organic farms.  Some organic produce is found to be more contaminated than non-organic.  Many are unknowingly buying contaminated soil, compost, and fertilizers and use it in their own gardens.  families.




Good Post!
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#59
To anyone defending GMO crops I would remind you they also said Roundup was safe to drink.
If you live your life using simple common sense you are a now a member of the extreme right.

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Well since we are on the subject of them poisoning us, our children and grandchildren are eating Cheerios everyday and it is loaded with this

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