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#1
I started the thread after going back 5 pages of prior posts and reading a few that had little to actually what is going on with regard to the Upcoming Trump Impeachment Trial in the Senate.

Nancy Pelosi is trying to make demands on the Senate with regard to this. She may be the Top Dog in the Lower House of Congress while Democrats have a majority there, but as to Dictating to the Senate she is has no rights to tell them squat! At present the Senate is working on a Senate rule (law), that would make it mandatory for Impeachment Inquiry Articles to be presented within 25 days of the the vote on these articles, or if not presented in this timely manner they will be dismissed. It is the House Majority Leader's job to present these Articles of Impeachment following the House vote. Thus far the Senate has not been presented with the 2 Articles of Impeachment that were passed in the House, ending the House Inquiry Phase.

If there are any Constitutional Law experts that note any errors in what I have stated feel free to jump is and correct me, along with references.

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place to post Notable quotes and comments and opinion as to what you feel is note worthy and new on this issue.

Today Tuesday 7 January I found this; On Twitter @marcorubio Worth Repeating! The Testimony and Evidence considered in the upcoming Senate Impeachment Trial, should be exactly the same that the Lower House of Congress relied upon when they held their House Impeachment Inquiry, and Voted on, to Pass their two Articles of Impeachment. The Senates job is to vote on what the House passed, not to conduct another open ended inquiry!
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In my opinion; (Tac), The House ran a biased partisan sham impeachment inquiry, and had no witnesses with any actual first person knowledge of anything, but instead opinions and 2nd and 3rd hand hearsay of what someone else said or opined. No direct facts what so ever. Proved nothing without tons doubt!
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#2
It is very confusing because there seems to a a lot of areas in which it is up to interpretation.
"What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

Reading this: https://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-sys...edure.html
I saw a question:
If the President is convicted by a vote of the Senate, and removed from office, yet another grave constitutional crisis is then presented. Does the President have a right of appeal, and if so, to whom?
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(01-07-2020, 02:51 PM)Lily Wrote: It is very confusing because there seems to a a lot of areas in which it is up to interpretation.
"What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

Reading this: https://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-sys...edure.html
I saw a question:
If the President is convicted by a vote of the Senate, and removed from office, yet another grave constitutional crisis is then presented. Does the President have a right of appeal, and if so, to whom?

High crimes and miszdemeanors and wshere are they??????? 1dunno1
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Pelosi is a wet brained drunk...

She can't even hold a press conference without stuttering and stammering and talking gibberish.

She runs the house which is 1/2 of congress. Mitch McConnel runs the senate...the other half of Congress.

House and senate combined are 1/3 of the power of the government...the executive branch is 1/3 and the Supreme Court is 1/3.

Nancy has no power without the support of the Senate and she does not have that.

The more the old boozer flaps her dentures, the more stupid she and the rest of the communist traitors...erm...democrats look
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(01-07-2020, 02:51 PM)Lily Wrote: It is very confusing because there seems to a a lot of areas in which it is up to interpretation.
"What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

Reading this: https://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-sys...edure.html
I saw a question:
If the President is convicted by a vote of the Senate, and removed from office, yet another grave constitutional crisis is then presented. Does the President have a right of appeal, and if so, to whom?

Due to the present split of 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats in Senate, with a 50/50 tie vote breaker being the current Vice President Pence, I see little or no chance of a 66/67 to 34/33 vote happening (a super majority). as is required to Impeach the President.  My second question derived from what you said or asked above is, Even if Trump is Impeached in the Senate Trial with a super majority does that automatically then remove him from office?  Wasn't Bill Clinton Impeached in the Senate Impeachment Trial?  I do know he was not removed from office.  Or did the Senate in his case not get a Super Majority?  Is that why he stayed in office as President?  If Trump is removed from office Pence becomes President by default and then he chooses his new Vice President.  Nancy Pelosi does not move up to the #2 spot just because Trump is removed from office.
Quite frankly I don't expect to see Trump unseated as President by this Impeachment attempt.

Someone please jump in with more detail on the Last Impeachment of Bill Clinton to answer some of these questions.
Okay, I found my own answer. With Bill Clinton, the House voted with a super majority to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate. Like I expect will happen also in Trumps case, In the Senate the President was not impeached with a super majority, thus he kept his position as President
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Impeachment is an indictment of a sitting President or other elected official. It is not the "removal from office" some brain dead democrats that slept through civic class think it is.

The senate will hold a trial.

If found guilty, they will then decide if the offense is serious enough to remove from office.

Bill Clinton WAS found guilty of lying under oath....

He was not removed from office. He was disbarred and did lose his licesne to practice law. Most people forget this or just never paid attention.
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https://www.wnd.com/2020/01/nunes-inspec...stigation/

Inspector General who started impeachment investigation is now being investigated.

Definitely notable.
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(01-07-2020, 03:22 PM)Tac Wrote:
(01-07-2020, 02:51 PM)Lily Wrote: It is very confusing because there seems to a a lot of areas in which it is up to interpretation.
"What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

Reading this: https://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-sys...edure.html
I saw a question:
If the President is convicted by a vote of the Senate, and removed from office, yet another grave constitutional crisis is then presented. Does the President have a right of appeal, and if so, to whom?

Due to the present split of 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats in Senate, with a 50/50 tie vote breaker being the current Vice President Pence, I see little or no chance of a 66/67 to 34/33 vote happening (a super majority). as is required to Impeach the President.  My second question derived from what you said or asked above is, Even if Trump is Impeached in the Senate Trial with a super majority does that automatically then remove him from office?  Wasn't Bill Clinton Impeached in the Senate Impeachment Trial?  I do know he was not removed from office.  Or did the Senate in his case not get a Super Majority?  Is that why he stayed in office as President?  If Trump is removed from office Pence becomes President by default and then he chooses his new Vice President.  Nancy Pelosi does not move up to the #2 spot just because Trump is removed from office.
Quite frankly I don't expect to see Trump unseated as President by this Impeachment attempt.

Someone please jump in with more detail on the Last Impeachment of Bill Clinton to answer some of these questions.
Okay, I found my own answer.  With Bill Clinton, the House voted with a super majority to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate.  Like I expect will happen also in Trumps case, In the Senate the President was not impeached with a super majority, thus he kept his position as President

I think you have to recognize that there is no real expectation by these Democrats to remove Trump. This is a political tactic. As you probably are aware, every elected Republican President since Dwight Eisenhower has had Articles of Impeachment drawn up against him.

They are obstructing Trump from focusing on his agenda by diverting huge amounts of time and energy and money away from Trump's running the government effectively and towards dealing with their fake news distractions.

Democrats are liberals, and liberals base their politics on emotions. The idea here is that drumming up hatred of Trump as an evil monster will engender 'good people' to come out to vote against him.
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(01-07-2020, 03:40 PM)Guest Wrote: Impeachment is an indictment of a sitting President or other elected official.  It is not the "removal from office" some brain dead democrats that slept through civic class think it is.

The senate will hold a trial.

If found guilty, they will then decide if the offense is serious enough to remove from office.

Bill Clinton WAS found guilty of lying under oath....

He was not removed from office.  He was disbarred and did lose his licesne to practice law.  Most people forget this or just never paid attention.

You Sir are wrong! Here are the facts;

On Feb. 12th 1999 in the Senate Impeachment Trial, President Bill Clinton was acquitted of both articles of impeachment which were voted on and passed in the Lower House of Congress. These articles were "Lying under Oath" and "Obstruction of Justice". In this Senate Impeachment Trial he was acquitted on both articles and remained in office as president BECAUSE NEITHER ARTICLE RECEIVED THE REQUIRED 2/3RDS MAJORITY VOTE REQUIRED TO CONVICT HIM AND REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE.

IMHO, he was guilty as Hell, just like OJ, Michael Jackson, Epstein, and many others

However, with the exception of Public Opinion, he was not found guilty of anything. FACT
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(01-08-2020, 11:53 AM)Tac Wrote:
(01-07-2020, 03:40 PM)Guest Wrote: Impeachment is an indictment of a sitting President or other elected official.  It is not the "removal from office" some brain dead democrats that slept through civic class think it is.

The senate will hold a trial.

If found guilty, they will then decide if the offense is serious enough to remove from office.

Bill Clinton WAS found guilty of lying under oath....

He was not removed from office.  He was disbarred and did lose his licesne to practice law.  Most people forget this or just never paid attention.

You Sir are wrong! Here are the facts;

On Feb. 12th 1999 in the Senate Impeachment Trial, President Bill Clinton was acquitted of both articles of impeachment which were voted on and passed in the Lower House of Congress.  These articles were "Lying under Oath" and "Obstruction of Justice".  In this Senate Impeachment Trial he was acquitted on both articles and remained in office as president BECAUSE NEITHER ARTICLE RECEIVED THE REQUIRED 2/3RDS MAJORITY VOTE REQUIRED TO CONVICT HIM AND REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE.

IMHO, he was guilty as Hell, just like OJ, Michael Jackson, Epstein, and many others

However, with the exception of Public Opinion, he was not found guilty of anything.  FACT

It does raise the question, how could he have been acquitted for "Lying Under Oath"? That he lied under oath is an established fact, with video evidence.
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