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Televangelist Robert Tilton comes on the TV...

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The tithe is the tax, but since the Catholic church tried to start something with the building of a new building, you were expected to go into confessional to pay for your sins. Which is of course what Martin Luther protested about.

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Senator Chuck Grassley initiated an investigation into a few of the big megachurches abusing their power with their tax exempt status. Kenneth Hagin's personal piggy bank Ministries wasn't one of them. Oh, well, nothing was accomplished anyhow. About like trying to investigate the Clinton Foundation. One of the excuses was that they could manage their money just fine about like CONgress does.

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I never trust anyone named 'oral'...
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(12-19-2018, 03:13 AM)Guest Wrote: I never trust anyone named 'oral'...

You would've thought that Oral would've named his place Rhema...instead of Hagin. But since Hagin is considered the father of the Word of Faith movement, he has to make a name for himself somehow, when technically that's called Kenneth Hagin's personal piggy bank Ministries. Now taking donations for Kenneth Hagin's personal piggy bank. Give until it hurts (Kenneth Hagin's heart condition or Oral Roberts Tuberculosis), and then give some more (money, even if you have to take out a loan). The only one prospering here is Kenneth Hagin. So much for the prosperity gospel.

So what is the healing part of the prosperity gospel? The government's version of the health and wealth prosperity gospel is tax and spend your way to prosperity with ObamaCare!

Remembering that the bronze snake was to be viewed upon to heal the Israelites of an infirmity, but after they were healed then they started to worship the bronze snake. In this case the initial viewing of the bronze snake would cure them as maybe they were seeing reality, but then it just became another idol afterwards.

But then the snake has traditionally been tied to mysticism as charismania is rooted in Eastern Mysticism.
This is the kudalini which refers to the snake in the eastern mysticism. Yoga is not a safe practice either.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing...

Maybe you have a health condition because you didn't have enough faith...
Buy some more faith from your local faith broker...give until it hurts and then give some more
Kenneth Copeland may have been Oral Roberts personal pilot, but he took all his antics from Kenneth Hagin:
Watch, but please mute Grenade Ironically, while he's striking other people down, he needs bouncers to hold his ass up...
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An actual class experiment back in 1969 on how the fascist system could actually work was demonstrated for a class during the period of a week and took on a life of its' own. It was called 'The Wave'. Its' worth the 45 minutes if you've never seen it before.


The charismatics carry on their own factions, being fascist against all others; a cult. The only one benefitting is the guy (Hagin) at the top of the pyramid scheme.

Then there was Jim "Drink the Koolaid" Jones...also started off as a religious leader...turned cult...


It's just a comet...but according to AppleWhite it was the last frontier into the eternal...but you need a space ship to get there, this magic drink doesn't appear to be working...and if you get on the comet...you get cold feet and freeze to death...

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Hagin is suspected of being a member of Free Masonry...

Shriners are 33rd degree Masons...an Islam themed Masonry...



I don't remember you...but the Fez looks familiar


And what's with these Shriners Hospitals commercials?


Connections between Masonry, Islam, and Shriners

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(12-11-2018, 12:40 PM)counterintelligence Wrote: Televangelist Robert Tilton comes on the TV...


Off topic I realize, but my daughter just sent this to me:

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(01-29-2019, 08:55 PM)Catch Wrote:
(12-11-2018, 12:40 PM)counterintelligence Wrote: Televangelist Robert Tilton comes on the TV...


Off topic I realize, but my daughter just sent this to me:


You're actually on topic...same nonsense as the second video on post #17...it gets worse...the occult simply means things you can't see and the demons (fallen angels) that they call on (spoiler alert!), like to interact with (and overtake) humans and speak through them and cause bizarre things to happen that humans aren't themselves capable of. These people are extremely dangerous!

Some lamer guys that don't have the technique down listen to God's voice on 37MHz, and it sounds just like Peter Popoff's wife speaking...oh and what's that earpiece in his ear? http://www.skeptictank.org/popoff2.htm


The Promise Keepers rallies across the nation starting in the early '90s was started by an ex-Colorado football coach and started holding these events in football fields. Better get your tickets, because you get a discount if you buy in quantity. It's still going apparently, but the Bill McCartney guy on the board was heavily influenced by the Vineyard Movement. There were some altar call (don't participate in those), and some other strange stories surrounding them such as sexual cult like (or even homosexual because it is an all man rally).

And the Vineyard Movement was related to the Toronto Blessing Cursing... And who was at the head of the Toronto Cursing? Kenneth Copeland (under the influence and teaching of Kenneth Hagin), along with a South-African Voodoo Doctor who refers to himself as the Holy Ghost Bartender, Rodney Howard-Browne. (Drunk in the Spirit is mutually exclusive). But anyhow much of what you are seeing in this video and the one in post #17 are similar to what you see in the Toronto Cursing.

Toronto Blessing UnMasked...
Points to consider: 1. It's not what you say, but how you say it. 2. These con artists are using a technique known by a magician as embedded command. 3. The hand gestures have some meaning too... 4. Don't allow emotions to take you over, instead of intellect, and don't clear your mind allowing just anything to find its' way in.

If you have the stomach to watch it, you may learn what they are doing.... but what does falling flat on your back/butt and can't get up have to do with spiritual issues after someone curses you and with their hand on your head?

Watch, but mute, however, in this 2 hour video series there is some criticism/commentary usually at times where there is a still image.. Grenade You'll see some of the same things as your video.


Along with the Toronto Cursing was the Brownsville Revival in Pensacola, Florida. It is some of the same Cursing going on here. This video shows several baptism, watch, and mute Grenade Anything they say in the video is most likely emotionally, not intellectually charged. Most of these people are already afflicted, and you can see them shaking or other strange behaviour. This is not normal and is likely some chakra activity in action (probably kudalini), making them lose control of their body. Some of them can be seen coming out of the baptismal more morbid than when they went in. Grenade



And who was it that passed around the Blessing Cursing? Well it was some forgotten guy who unlike the Copeland or Hagin who didn't actually serve any time in the ravages of war, just the medical conditions, by the name of Reinhardt Bonnke...out of sight, out of mind... http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke.html He was running around in Africa somewhere fighting in the World Wars.

Just like the story about little Susie that promises free ice cream if she gets elected class president, all she gives out is something else that comes out of the cow in abundant supply. Scratchinghead That's likely all you're getting from a charismatic leader: nothing at the same time you're subjecting yourself to danger! Some have subjected themselves to severe psychological harm.
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