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#1
I wonder what's going on here? AH...just another day of the same old, same old for this place...First time in 40 years that anything like this has happened...I think not...

A ~100 teenagers in a brawl at the annual Christmas lights display: http://www.newson6.com/story/39575149/rh...fter-fight

As a result, they will be stepping up security: http://www.newson6.com/story/39595420/rh...g-incident

Then after that happens only 2 days later, the great grandson of the founder gets sentence reduction from 8 years of prison time down to only 7 more years of Department of Corrections Probation along with 2 other guys for a drive by shooting early last year. The trio serves less than 1 year in prison.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/b...e3f7a.html

Court documents/proceedings: http://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInfor...id=3034818

Were the ~100 teenagers throwing a protest after the first weekend of the lights being turned on, in favor of helping get the great grandson's sentence reduced? This would seem rather odd. Was this a flash mob?

Meanwhile, last year the kid consulted somebody who admired his great grandfather's teachings, a former District Attorney, who was also trying to run for the Republican candidates in the 2018 race to represent Oklahoma’s 1st Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives. Obviously, the District Attorney is operating under the influence of Rhema, while they are also received their law degree at Oral Roberts University.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/f...697e6.html

This same District Attorney didn't prosecute a sexual offender who was a youth pastor at yet another church operating under Rhema's toxic influence: http://thislandpress.com/2012/05/23/grac...ken-arrow/
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Let's go back in time about 23 years to see about another skirmish, just to set the record straight. Same place, same annual event.

Christmas light tour helicopters land on Rhema campus in lieu of better arrangements.

Council sets limits on helicopters: https://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/coun...ffd55.html

An ordinance on the books for the last 23 years, in the city that harbors this place: https://library.municode.com/ok/broken_a....5AIHETALA

The newspaper doesn't show this as occurring at Rhema or that the city council was involved in trying to make the arrangements, but the minutes just barely show that it was on the Rhema campus. The city council didn't do their homework, and towards the end of the minutes, the Vice Mayor gets upset at the schoolchildren (even though all ages are present), because the schoolchildren should've been at home doing their homework (sounds like the recent event), What exactly did the schoolchildren do (although we know what they did in the fight scene)? Officers may also have to be called out to resolve the issue (also familiar sounding). The ordinance roughly reads that anyone wanting to take a ride in a helicopter in our city is going to end up in the hospital (but that's the whole health and wealth prosperity gospel isn't it?) Maybe after the fight they needed to call out the helicopter to land on the Rhema campus to take any injured victims to the hospital? I'm confused 1dunno1 Is it profound that they were supposed to be using the helipad at the hospital?

City Council Minutes May 1, 1995 pages 4-5

The council considered a request from the Broken Arrow Chamber of Commerce to utilize a portion of Veterans Park to accomodate helicopter rides during the Rooster Days celebration, May 16, through May 21, and to establish May 9 through May 11, 1996 as "Rooster Days 1996", Mr. Bruce Switzer stated Corporate Helicopters of Sand Springs has presented a proposal to offer helicopter rides during Rooster Days, and has met with City Gardener David Blue about the site. Mr. Switzer continued this firm has $10 million in liability insurance and will name the City and the Chamber as additional insureds. He explained the rides will cost $10.00 per person, versus the $60.00 these rides normally cost.

In response to a concern expressed by Councilman Carter, a representative of the helicopter company, Mr. Redmon, stated the ingress/egress path the helicopters will use should minimize the noise, in addition to the fact they adhere to the prescribed approaches recommended by Bell Helicopter, a major helicopter supplier. He continued that the other solutions are to take off into the wind and turn the tail rotors away form the residential areas. He added the helicopter will hold the pilot and four passengers, and that the company hopes to try this as a pilot program this year.

Councilman Miller asked whether the overhead power lines on the property to the south are a concern. Mr. Redmon stated they would not be, as they will not take off into that area. Vice Mayor Townsend asked what the hours of operation would be. Mr. Redmon stated the flights would be suspended at 9:00 p.m. each night of the festival.

City Manager John Vinson stated that since the Fire Chief and Police Chief have not yet reviewed the plan, he would like to table this item until a special meeting he plans to propose for May 8, 1995. He also suggested the helicopter be flown into the site for the Public Safety chiefs and the City Council to observe. Mr. Redmon stated he would try to contact another helicopter company to see if they will have a helicopter in the area for this kind of demonstration. Councilman Carter inquired what measures are taken to protect children from the helicopter blades. Mr. Redmon responded that all ground personnel are in radio contact with each other so they may react quickly to any situation, that all passengers are escorted to and from the helicopter, and that there will be two to three spotters in the crowd. He added the landing area would be staked with banners, with a 40' square cordoned off and having only one entrance and exit point.

Councilman Petrik asked what the impact of the noise would be on the grandstand activities, and added he would like to see a demonstration in the park before he votes on this item. Councilman Miller asked whether there have been any complaints received on the television helicopters which land to cablecast ball games. Mr. Redmon these complaints are rare. Motion by Petrik, second by Townsend, to table this request until a special meeting to be held May 8, 1995.

Aye: Reynolds, Townsend, Petrik, Carter, Miller

Nay: None

Motion carried.

Concerning the request to declare May 9 through May 11, 1996 as the official dates of the 1996 festival, Mr. Switzer stated these dates have been primarily dictated by the availability of school bands, and that these dates precede graduation by one week, which should be beneficial. He added Sunday activities may be requested at a later date.

Motion by Petrik, second by Townsend, to approve the request to designate May 9 through May 11, 1996 as "Rooster Days 1996."

Aye: Reynolds, Townsend, Petrik, Carter, Miller

Nay: None

Motion carried.

The Concil considered an appointment to fill a vacancy on the Broken Arrow Hospital Authority.

Motion by Petrik, second by Carter, to reappoint Mr. Bill Baldwin to the Broken Arrow Hospital Authority for an additional three-year term, from April 1995, to April 1998.

Broken Arrow City Council November 20, 1995 Page 7

The Council considered a request for a waiver of Ordinance 6-142 to allow the placement of a temporary building at the Broken Arrow Medical Center. The City Manager reviewed the background material, and stated the building will be associated with a helicopter landing pad for Christmas light tours. He added the permit is requested for the time period of November 24 through December 31, 1996.

Councilman Petrik mentioned the fact that this is the second company which will be doing the helicopter light tours, and stated his concern about possible conflicts in the air between the two. Mr. Vinson stated the other company will be flying from Larry Miller Chevrolet. There were no representatives of the helicopter company present. Mr. Vinson stated the companies must go through the FAA to get clearance for the flights, so there is FAA oversight implicit in the two operations.

Motion by Miller, second by Carter, to approve the request with the condition that a letter from the Medical Center allowing use of the helicopter pad be submitted with the temporary trailer permit and the entire event be forwarded to the Special Events Committee for their approval.

Aye: Reynolds, Petrik, Carter, Miller

Nay: None

Motion carried

City Council Minutes April 1, 1996 page 12

The Council considered the following preview ordinances:

An ordinance amending the Broken Arrow Code by creating Section 3.5-1 et seq., regulating airports, heliports, take-offs and landings within the city limits of Broken Arrow, providing for enforcement, repealing all ordinances to the contrary, and declaring an emergency.

The City Attorney gave the background, noting the first ordinance addresses heliports and allows the City to regulate take-offs and landings only of helicopters operating within City limits. The City Attorney suggested a fourth exception under 3.5-2 could be added for unscheduled events.

Elouise Whitson of West Midway, citing noise and safety concerns, read a letter requesting the Council prohibit all helicopter pads within 2,500' of any residential area, including temporary landing areas, such as those for Christmas tours, with the exception of hospitals or emergency uses.

Councilman Miller mentioned that under Section 3.5-3, surrounding property owners would be notified. He suggested the requirement of notifying residents within a 300' radius should also apply, as it does in zoning cases. The Acting City Manager and City Attorney agreed the preview ordinance would be amended to require this notification and will be brought back to the Council at the next meeting.

Excerpt of Broken Arrow City Council minutes, dated November 18, 1996:

The Council considered the special event application of Action Helicopters for holiday light tours from Jim Glover Dodge, 2920 North Aspen Avenue. City Manager John Vinson presented the background. Vice Mayor Townsend stated she is not a fan of helicopter tours because of the disruption caused to neighbors living around the Rhema Campus. She believes conducting the tours for three weeks, and until 10:00 p.m. on school nights is too long and too late.

Mr. Dennis Dorsey, Director of Operations and Vice President of Action Helicopters, stated the Police Department rode with his company last year and determined the noise from a helicopter flying at 500 feet is minimal from the ground, and that the noise complaints received last year were generated by another company operating from the Rhema Campus. He stated his company has been doing light tours in Tulsa for the past seven years, and that 1,000 people took the Broken Arrow tours last year. He added the flight path could be adjusted to stay closer to Elm Place and away from the residential areas. Mr. Dorsey informed the Council that contact will be made nightly with the FAA at Tulsa International Airport while the tours are being conducted, and that the minimum distance above ground level they are permitted to fly at is 300'. He continued that gentle turns will be executed to keep flap noise down, and the helicopters, which will be stored at the dealership, carry one pilot and four passengers. Mr. Dorsey stated that their average shut-down time last year in Broken Arrow was 9:00 to 9:15 p.m. He added that safety features are emphasized, including a 150 pound, wheeled fire extinguisher on site, which all personnel are trained to use, and that their equipment is U.S. Forest Department approved. Mr. Dorsey stated the tours will last four minutes each.

Councilman Miller stated the complaints he received last year concerned landing and take-off noise from the Rhema site, and that more control may be exercised by the City if the operator is in Broken Arrow and the City sends officers out to talk to them. He stated the city will have to deal with helicopters whether this application is approved or not. There were no protestants present.

Councilman Carter stated that adjusting the flight path to follow Elm Place and flying at 500' should minimize any problems.

Motion by Miller, second by Carter, to approve the request of Action Helicopters to conduct take-offs and landings from 2920 North Aspen Avenue for their holiday lights tours beginning December 5, 1996 through December 31, 1996 from dusk to 10:00 p.m., except on Sundays, Christmas Eve, and Christmas Day. Approval is subject to their meeting all requirements of the Police, Fire, and Inspections Departments during set-up, a copy of Action's certificate of insurance being furnished to the Administrative Services Director's office, and a permit being obtained for the trailer to be moved on site and used as a waiting area.

Aye: Reynolds, Carter, Miller

Nay: Townsend, Petrik

Motion carried.
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#3
Perhaps the school children are protesting this year because the teachers had a strike earlier this year? The Department of Education is just yet another mismanaged mess brought to you by the government.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...509294002/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U
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#4
More of an interesting story about the City of Faith and the 1977 plane crash involving his daughter and son-in-law banker. Very juicy...

The NTSB never clarified a reason as to what caused the crash. Not only was the City of Faith built because of the airplane crash, but it was built on Oral Roberts University property which was in the direct vicinity of an airport (how's that for irony?)

https://pieceofmindful.com/2018/06/28/pr...al-report/

The author of this piece comes to the conclusion of:
Cha-ching! Oral Roberts son-in-law was longtime partners with the father of Dru Mobley-Hammer. The “plane crash” happened in 1977. Dru and Michael Armand Hammer would marry eight years later. Armand Hammer died in 1990 with Douglas Mobley by his side, and his estate fell under the control of Dru (Michael Armand Hammer appears to be a pawn in this game) who diverted funds through the Cayman Islands to and from Oral Roberts University among other “Christian” organizations. It’s mentioned earlier that Douglas Mobley is a former banker turned lay preacher. Those professions are mutually exclusive or should be.

Which he describes who the Hammer people are. And that there was a recent addition to the ORU campus named after the Hammers and somehow Hammers are also somehow related to Joyce Meyer.

And while Kenneth Copeland was Oral Roberts' pilot, he was more influenced not by Roberts, but by Kenneth Hagin.

https://www.thoughtco.com/word-of-faith-...ory-700136

But of course, the plane crash came a decade or two before the ordinance in Rhema's court.
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#5
. . hummm . . . . . heh heh heh


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Celebrating Over 30 Years as a " Designated Paper Terrorist " - I Will Stand Corrected - No Legal Advice or Recommended Course of Action Expressed or Implied

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#6
Another section from the above article seems to indicate that religion was just as involved as the government in destroying the education system:

He conducted evangelistic and faith healing crusades across the United States and around the world, claiming he could raise the dead. In November 1947, Roberts started Healing Waters, a monthly magazine to promote his meetings. That these events coincide with the formation of the CIA must be a mere chance since according to Oral Roberts own account a Bible fell open, he bought a Buick, and God appeared, directing him to heal the sick.

And people mysteriously died at these tent revivals? But these tent meetings were meant to help the people coming back from the ravages of the World War? Charismatic leaders of both the political and the religious are hazardous to your health?
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(12-10-2018, 01:03 PM)counterintelligence Wrote: Another section from the above article seems to indicate that religion was just as involved as the government in destroying the education system:

He conducted evangelistic and faith healing crusades across the United States and around the world, claiming he could raise the dead.  In November 1947, Roberts started Healing Waters, a monthly magazine to promote his meetings.  That these events coincide with the formation of the CIA must be a mere chance since according to Oral Roberts own account a Bible fell open, he bought a Buick, and God appeared, directing him to heal the sick.

And people mysteriously died at these tent revivals?   But these tent meetings were meant to help the people coming back from the ravages of the World War?  Charismatic leaders of both the political and the religious are hazardous to your health?

All I know is my poor little country grandmother sold eggs to send him $5 every month. Her heart was in the right place, his did not seem to be.

I'll be back later when I have more time to read this.
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#8
What happened to this ORU student?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asi...story.html

He attended ORU, which is potentially dangerous.
Then he read up on these people on this deserted island, but did he even learn their language if they were even interested in talking to any foreigners?
The language on this island is poison arrows and they were more interested in converting him than he was prepared to convert them.
They can't even figure out how to get onto the island to fetch his body off of it without adding to the casualty.
Now they are even talking about bringing up charges against the people who transported him to the island.
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After I heard Oral Roberts say God was going to kill him if he didn't raise a million dollars, I quit paying his shenanigans any attention. I just felt that if he needed a million dollars, God would miracle it to him, or Oral needed to get a second job.
If God chose to be in the blackmail/strongarming/protection racket, I'm sure He'd be perfect at it, but I have my doubts. Now I see that it gets even darker
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.

- Douglas Adams
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(12-11-2018, 11:34 AM)Octopus Prime Wrote: After I heard Oral Roberts say God was going to kill him if he didn't raise a million dollars,  I quit paying his shenanigans any attention.  I just felt that if he needed a million dollars,  God would miracle it to him, or Oral needed to get a second job.
If God chose to be in the blackmail/strongarming/protection racket, I'm sure He'd be perfect at it, but I have my doubts.  Now I see that it gets even darker

Many people dropped Oral Roberts when he claimed that he could bring people back from the dead.
The same thing also happened when Kenneth Copeland made the same claim.

These guys put on a pretty facade for the fact that they are into worshipping the dark forces. So all of you are coming back from the hardships of war? Well guess what, we're going to add to the hardships. Welcome to our place of WAR SHIP. Come WAR SHIP with us.
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