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Ken Burns documentary on the Viet Nam War
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(07-11-2018, 07:11 PM)Lily Wrote: My Uncle was 101st Airborne in Vietnam. Has dealt with illness from Agent Orange and occasionally will tell stories of his time overseas. When your country calls and you are feeling patriotic, sign up to defend your country. Then you find out it is a bunch of shit and the people back home spit on you when you return home wounded. Those men that went there bonded and fought/defended each other because it became all about your buddy. When you thank a Vietnam Vet, you say, "welcome home" because because so many didn't make it back.

one thing that stood out for me other than the way things turned out in the US, some of which you mentioned, was how bad it was for the North Vietnamese after the war too. In different ways of course.....but no one won that war from my perspective. Everyone was traumatized.

It definitely amped up my compassion for anyone involved....especially the US vets who believed that military victory was possible.

They are still cleaning up the mess from agent orange over there according to the doc.

There was a janitor at my high school who got break outs on his arms from it. I have an uncle who went and ran a machine gun from a helicoptor...but we are not close enough to talk about it.
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(07-11-2018, 07:16 PM)Frigg Wrote: It was excellent ..same with his Civil War series, outstanding.

i saw a lot of the civil war series too....really good

someone recommended his piece on the the roosevelts as well.
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(07-11-2018, 07:11 PM)Lily Wrote: My Uncle was 101st Airborne in Vietnam. Has dealt with illness from Agent Orange and occasionally will tell stories of his time overseas. When your country calls and you are feeling patriotic, sign up to defend your country. Then you find out it is a bunch of shit and the people back home spit on you when you return home wounded. Those men that went there bonded and fought/defended each other because it became all about your buddy. When you thank a Vietnam Vet, you say, "welcome home" because because so many didn't make it back.

And so many weren't welcomed home when they first returned.
The first time I ever saw Tony lose his temper over the TV was when the local news showed a parade honoring the returning Gulf War vets.He was drafted,didn't want to go in the first place but that's what one did in his family. Duty.
He and his brothers in arms didn't come home to parades,they came home to a cluster fuck.
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(07-11-2018, 06:39 PM)Hugh Manatee Wrote: I just finished watching this over the past week. I broke my heel during a misunderstanding with an oak tree, so I'm layed up for a good while as a result. Never broke a bone before so this is a new 'exciting' experience.

Anyway, I can't speak for the absolute accuracy of the documentary as far as the CIA was involved and the real reasons the US was compelled to 'stop the communist domino effect' by putting boots on the ground there. In spite of that, the stories told by the vets on all sides, as well as the backround stories on so many different elements, especially the way it divided the US, was very compelling. I was really moved by the many reflections by people involved in all different aspects of the campaign.

The US never seemed to heal from that division. More divided than ever in fact.

Did any one here catch this program?....or  fight in that fucked up war?  Seems to me, that it would do most Americans some good to sit down and check out this series.

Any thoughts?

popnana

The last Ken Burns doc I watched was the Civil War and it was excellent. His first one. Then life happened and I missed his others. This one piques my interest, hasn't been shown in my area to the best of my knowledge
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(07-11-2018, 09:04 PM)MysticPizza Wrote:
(07-11-2018, 07:11 PM)Lily Wrote: My Uncle was 101st Airborne in Vietnam. Has dealt with illness from Agent Orange and occasionally will tell stories of his time overseas. When your country calls and you are feeling patriotic, sign up to defend your country. Then you find out it is a bunch of shit and the people back home spit on you when you return home wounded. Those men that went there bonded and fought/defended each other because it became all about your buddy. When you thank a Vietnam Vet, you say, "welcome home" because because so many didn't make it back.

And so many weren't welcomed home when they first returned.
The first time I ever saw Tony lose his temper over the TV was when the local news showed a parade honoring the returning Gulf War vets.He was drafted,didn't want to go in the first place but that's what one did in his family. Duty.
He and his brothers in arms didn't come home to parades,they came home to a cluster fuck.

Yup.  Times have changed.

And speaking as one that got a load of diatribe/bullshit from my own family at the time, that kind of hurt runs deeply and is a permanent rut in the soul.

I do not begrudge the honoring of vets today, and if peeps wanna throw a parade, I'm fine with it.  It beats getting yelled at and having crap thrown at you in airports and the streets if in uniform.  The Vietnam war was 'political', but not to those who served ~ it was duty.  As you said, duty requires faithful service.

PS ~ I did watch the Burns documentary and it's prolly the best review of that era as we are likely to see. Excellent job running down the footage and assembling with coherency. I thought as I watched and remembered what I thought/experienced at the time. Sobering.
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