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(12-29-2018, 12:03 AM)phxsparks Wrote:
(12-28-2018, 11:23 PM)WNC Wrote:
(12-28-2018, 11:09 PM)phxsparks Wrote: I can get a good hammer for $25 or 35$.  An Irwin framing hammer is a little bit more.

Yep. My first experience with this was when I worked at Taylor Instruments. We had to make a replacement barometer for an old carrier based on the Mil-Spec.'s. The design was archaic but the packaging was unbelievable. They flew it out to the carrier as soon as we had it ready. God knows what it cost.

A friend of mine worked at Hughes in Culver City, Cal.  He told me all sorts of stories about stuff like this.  My favorite was a screwdriver he showed me that cost $300.  This stuff is mostly driven by government contracts.  You don't see this type of frivolous spending in the private sector, in most cases.

In the early 80's we were developing a electronic well pump switch when I worked at Square-D. Our Pinellas, FL plant was going to manufacture the circuit board for us.The designing engineer, and the manufacturing engineer (me) and our draftsman went down there to discuss the details of moving this into production. We were given a tour of the in process and the final assembly process. One thing caught my eye at a final assembly station, there were about 5 huge components on a circuit board being assembled into about a 6"x9" NEMA 4 enclosure. I asked " what in the world is that"? Once again this was for an aging military ship, god knows what this cost. You could have put the same electronics that existed at that time in a matchbox
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Municipal contracts have very specific stipulations that have been in place for years.

1. They must use Local, Union Labor.
2. The materials must be purchased from Local Suppliers.
3. Design and construction must meet OSHA, ADA, EEOC, etc guidelines
4. Potential Legal and Insurance risks must be kept below a specific threshold.
5. Work may only be performed during specific times.

etc.

Could that public toilet have been built for far less. Certainly. But the frequent legal problems in the future would be far more expensive.

Ironically, many of you get angry when Corporations off-shore jobs because those jobs should stay in the United States. Then, when presented with a story that fulfills your requirements, you are up in arms over the wasted cost.

That contract had 4 times the $200 per hour plumbers necessary to complete the job, each with a $40 per hour apprentice. The same goes for every specialized tradesman. All working for union wages, with union mandatory breaks. Try being a Union employee and working through your break especially when your union representative is monitoring your work.

Every worker must be verified for age, race, residence, union affiliation, union status, licenses, etc.

The floors have to be constructed to a specific pitch to insure drainage. The toilets have to be an placed in a specific, precise location to insure the final product exceeds ADA guidelines. This is not a measure twice cut once scenario, but a measure 20 times and have it verified by 4 different inspectors.

And all of this still needs to meet the minimum bid requirements, and 70% of the total cost was spent on lawyers, engineers, planning boards, community input, and everything but construction.
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(12-28-2018, 12:44 AM)phxsparks Wrote:
(12-28-2018, 12:37 AM)bigD111 Wrote:
(12-28-2018, 12:30 AM)phxsparks Wrote: That is for sure Big D, it's an extension of the 2000 dollar toilet seats we used to hear about.  Or the 1000 dollar hammers.  How can anyone allow money to be wasted like this?  Just think of how hard people work to earn the tax money that they pay the government.  And instead the government turns around and wastes this money in a shameful manner...

God help us as a country....

Facepalm

That's what pisses me off.  Instead of doing a good job with our money, they do a shit job!   Grrrrrrrrrrr!

Yes, that is what pisses me off!  Its like they have no respect for how hard people have to work to come up with all of the taxes they demand.  If they would just use those taxes in a responsible manner.  Instead of pissing it away on figuring out if spotted owls have HIV.  Or if the owls are queer.  What bearing doe this sort of study have on the quality of the average persons life?  None.  That is the answer.

Lots of waste and no remorse for their waste.

Yeah

They think our money is theirs. They play overlord but I think the time is soon coming when they will realize they don’t own us. Or throw them in gitmo. Lol
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(12-29-2018, 01:20 AM)Guest Wrote: Municipal contracts have very specific stipulations that have been in place for years.

1.  They must use Local, Union Labor.
2.  The materials must be purchased from Local Suppliers.
3.  Design and construction must meet OSHA, ADA, EEOC, etc guidelines
4.  Potential Legal and Insurance risks must be kept below a specific threshold.
5.  Work may only be performed during specific times.

etc.

Could that public toilet have been built for far less.  Certainly.  But the frequent legal problems in the future would be far more expensive.

Ironically, many of you get angry when Corporations off-shore jobs because those jobs should stay in the United States.  Then, when presented with a story that fulfills your requirements, you are up in arms over the wasted cost.

That contract had 4 times the $200 per hour plumbers necessary to complete the job, each with a $40 per hour apprentice.  The same goes for every specialized tradesman.  All working for union wages, with union mandatory breaks.  Try being a Union employee and working through your break especially when your union representative is monitoring your work.

Every worker must be verified for age, race, residence, union affiliation, union status, licenses, etc.  

The floors have to be constructed to a specific pitch to insure drainage. The toilets have to be an placed in a specific, precise location to insure the final product exceeds ADA guidelines.  This is not a measure twice cut once scenario, but a measure 20 times and have it verified by 4 different inspectors.

And all of this still needs to meet the minimum bid requirements, and 70% of the total cost was spent on lawyers, engineers, planning boards, community input, and everything but construction.

I can pee in the damn woods without all that “ safety” and be fine, as long as I don’t squat on poison ivy. Chuckle
Sometimes by losing a battle, you find a new way to win the war.
President Donald J.Trump

WWG1WGA

MAGA

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