[twitchy]

Man or Beast, I got the Beef.

No doubt...

PETA
Animal behaviorists have found that cows interact in socially complex ways, developing friendships over time and sometimes holding grudges against other cows who treat them badly.

Which Uncle was it?

[twitchy]

I knew he was an ankle biter but no one would take the bet.

Getting that impression lol.

[Guest]

Man or Beast, I got the Beef.

No doubt...

PETA
Animal behaviorists have found that cows interact in socially complex ways, developing friendships over time and sometimes holding grudges against other cows who treat them badly.

Which Uncle was it?

It was my cousin, Ben.





PETA.
LOL

Those buildings were pre wired to come down after the 93 fbi bombings.
On 9-11 -2001 they were brought down by demolition.

[oldcynic]

Thanks @twitchy . Very thought provoking. Definitely a view I never took. Watched every episode of Get Smart back in the day. We did some current events association but never thought it was a writing for the future. Worth multiple reads to digest everything. Good stuff.

[twitchy]

Thanks @twitchy .  Very thought provoking.  Definitely a view I never took.  Watched every episode of Get Smart back in the day.  We did some current events association but never thought it was a writing for the future.  Worth multiple reads to digest everything.  Good stuff.

Thanks, I was beginning to think that VonLud was the only person who was going to reply lol.

[oldcynic]

Thanks @twitchy .  Very thought provoking.  Definitely a view I never took.  Watched every episode of Get Smart back in the day.  We did some current events association but never thought it was a writing for the future.  Worth multiple reads to digest everything.  Good stuff.

Thanks, I was beginning to think that VonLud was the only person who was going to reply lol.

It's a generational thing. "Get Smart", Don Adams, Tennessee Tuxedo, Prescott Bush ???

[twitchy]

It's a generational thing.  "Get Smart", Don Adams, Tennessee Tuxedo, Prescott Bush ???    

Tennessee Tuxedo... damn, now that's old school!

[Miscellaneous]

Speaking as someone who is a New Yorker, and was there as a responder , I can safely say beams looked cut, and no WAY building 7 should have come down. No WAY.

I've always felt lots of people knew before hand. Many people I know were called away from the building that day.
Odd reasons.
Many didnt don't go in, and the infamous group of Muslims who went the night before and prayed ifo the buildings.

I must say though, I never thought of the building being pre wired during construction.
That makes more sense to me, than anything else actually .
I know people who *claim* to have seen the planes go into the towers, but I don't believe them.....

Great thread.

[twitchy]

A little less than four years after the JFK assassination was when NBC aired episode 52 of Get Smart. Recall from earlier in the thread where we discussed the fact that the CIA literally walked onto the set and wanted to know where the show was getting it's ideas from as they were apparently getting too close for comfort on some very real intelligence work....
Despite his subsequent denials, this was the Hay Day of George Bush's involvement in the CIA long before accepting a position as it's director in 1976, just a few years before before good ole Brezenski came along orchestrating the mujahideen debacle in Afghanistan with operatives like Tim Osman (aka Osama Bin Laden).
There's two reasons this is important to the events of Sept.11 2001,
1.
https://youtu.be/-NlJQJUUqR4
George Bush's involvement in the JFK assassination and more importantly the narco-corruption behind it. Apples don't fall far from trees, though and his father, Prescott Bush, was one a very few actually tried under the Trading with the Enemy Act for his involvement with Harriman Nazi bankrolling and his son, well let's be nice... None of this is terribly shocking but it gives you an idea as to what kind of folks you're dealing with.
2.
https://youtu.be/CdE1Cwnymzc
This video establishes motive, pure and simple. If that doesn't curl your toes enough, dig around in the largely unknown and poorly understood multi-billion dollar BCCI fiasco. Take your pick... and remember that George Bush and Bill Clinton were so intimately involved in this fiasco they shared the same lawyer, which isn't really surprising either, considering this...

Not really all that fascinating if you overlook presidential assassinations, sponsoring terrorism, and drug money laundering, but in the context of 9-11 you may notice these very same names, flight schools, and places being repeated in the 9-11 narrative. This was the cabal that was in place and running our intelligence agencies in and around the times that the WTC were being constructed and this very interesting, even esoteric episode of Get Smart hit the air and attracted the attention of the CIA. This goes all the way back to the 1960's.
Some particulate was in the range of 2.5 microns, and there have been estimates that as much as 1/3 of the concrete was completely pulverized in this fashion. There was a bit earlier on in this thread about the concrete possibly being formulated somehow to achieve this that I'd like to hear your opinion on.
Also in response to the endless drone of 'there were no explosions'...
I'm not the only one that has said as much...
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high — a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
-George W. Bush
The whitehouse has since removed the quote from their records, but thankfully not everyone else's.
As much as 1/3 is a lot. 2.5 Microns is atomized. Pyroclastic is very hot for concrete powder...

https://youtu.be/68LUHa_-OlA
Pretty interesting information all around but of particular interest to this thread is that about halfway through the video or so, CIA whistleblower Susan Lindauer, one of the first non arab americans to be arrested under the Patriot Act, mentions that her handler tells her to stay away from NYC because the terrorists were planning to use micro-nukes and was concerned for her safety due to fallout.
Cars in the immediate are were bursting into flame, doors and door handles were popping off, something was producing iron rich micro spheres in the dust and it stayed hot for months despite millions of gallons of water... Something got really hot, or irradiated.
400,000 cubic yards per tower i.e. WTC 1 and WTC 2 was used during construction, afterwards no recognizable pieces of it were left. Many firefighters and cleanup workers very publicly remarked about the striking lack of solid materials left in the collapse, only steel, aluminum, paper and dust. Everything else was completely vaporized into incredibly fine and incredibly hot micron sized particulate.
Just prior to collapse, WTC 2 was largely extinguished, WTC 1 was full of black smoke indicating inefficient combustion. Some of the Initial estimates by the likes of Environmental Health Laboratories Inc had the fires at around 500 degrees. Is that hot enough to create iron spheres or blow car doors off their hinges hundreds of feet away? Just how does dust from a fire related collapse initiating 80-90 floors above burn cars up anyway? You're talking hot spots of up to 1500 degrees fully a month later.
But no, office furniture fires don't typically pop car doors off their hinges from 800 feet above do they?
"He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high — a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
-George W. Bush
I'm curious as to what explosives you think 'Mr. President' was referring to here... George Bush believed there were explosives in the buildings, and even referred to operatives placing them at specific locations to ensure the optimum casualty count. This was shortly after he told us we should never tolerate conspiracy theories regarding 9-11 so you can understand my confusion as a good law abiding red blooded American. Then of course Cheney, 'MR. Vice President' told us a missile hit the pentagon....

[twitchy]

Anyways, in the two videos I posted earlier, one of the more interesting little facts you don't hear much about is the Flight School that Mohamed Atta attended has a very interesting history.
The American people were sold a story which claimed these were muslim fundamentalists, religious extremists, a claim that is muddied further by Mohamed Atta's ex-girlfriend, Amanda Keller's contention that during his flight school training at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida, Atta frequented strip bars, used coc aine and was apparently a hedonist. Amanda Keller was not named as witness to the 9-11 commission, and along with several otehr residents of the area later claimed to have been harassed and intimidated, by Florida Law Enforcement and FBI agents to prevent them from talking to the media.
Huffman Aviation....
It is interesting to note that one of the 9-11 comissioners was none other than Ben-Veniste, who defended Barry Seal, drug smuggler extraordinaire who ran coc aine into Mena AK on behalf of the famous Contras during the Bush era CIA's Iran Contra operations and was gunned down in his car with George Bush Sr. personal phone number on him. Bush actually owned Barry's plane for a while.
Also interesting to note that the flight school in question here, Huffman Aviation was owned by Wally Hillard, if that name doesn't ring a bell, then perhaps the largest Heroin bust in Florida history will....
It's also important to remember that Barry Seal was linked to Pablo Escobar, the overnight Columbian bazillionaire. That's just one of the 9-11 commissioners, Ben-Veniste. If you know your JFK history, or even Iran-Contra 'Flight Schools' should perk your ears up as well.
And here's a great read on BCCI...
http://www.historycommons.org/context.js...riclubbcci
Yeah, sure plastics and the like produce a thick black smoke, hey you got me there... more grey when it burns out it's fuel source and smolders like WTC 2 though, and well, hardly any smoke from the mostly contained fires of WTC 7.

But what about all that thick black smoke, do you think that has a cooling affect on flames in an enclosure which might have led to the original estimates of 500 degrees by folks that know that kind of stuff... or do you think that maybe fuel rich hydrocarbons can get so incredibly hot in a few hours that they permeate the structural grid of one of the largest steel framed high rises in the history of modern construction and cause a catastrophic collapse of accelerating debris through it's own intact understructure and into it's own footprint, three times in a row in one day and cause what, 60 thousand tons or so of concrete to turn into micron sized particulate, molten steel and hotspots for months, and leave anamolous high levels of radioactive isotopes in their wake? That's some pretty high temperatures for black smoke.

It's a rhetorical question, Yes thick black smoke actually cools fires. The excess hydrocarbons in the dark smoke absorb a great deal of radiant heat and as the smoke escapes it carries some of it away and also tends to create an oxygen poor environment for the open flames. I'm pretty sure NIST overlooked that, but it's been a while since I've read through the notes I took. I took a science class once.
I'd be very interested in your opinions as to what type of explosives Mr. President might have been talking about in that speech... and why do you suppose it was removed from the record there on metabunk, and the whitehouse. Ethically, of course it's pretty questionable, but do you reckon it's standard procedure these days to go about rewording a US President's speeches for posterity?
As to why Mohamed Atta wanted to take flying lessons, I think it's a far more interesting question to ask why he wanted to at Huffman Aviation.
The 'money' Susan Lindauerer received from the Iraqis that they tried to charge her for was for two dinners with Iraqi delegates, which was well within her job description, totaling around 90 bucks. That's how trumped her charges were.
Looking at the records, judge Michael B. Mukasey was a Bush croney who almost had a CIA asset and 9/11 whistleblower medically lobotomized over a 90 dollar dinner tab and 'secret charges'.
A trumped up trial after months of imprisonment and a lot of fancy and arguably very convenient new Patriot Act stipulations that would freak George Orwell out all the while under the constant threat of being 'medicated' despite your own substantial evidence of competence for doing your job in the first place... You can imagine the stress.
Evidence? Sure, Knock yourself out. I've already posted a video, which you apparently haven't seen yet as Ms. Lindauer says pretty clearly that it was her handler that told her about the fallout concerns.
You're aware of her own psychiatric evaluations that pretty clearly show she was mentally competent?
Do you think it is normal for the US Government to incarcerate and charge their own intelligence assets for 90 dollar dinner tabs?
She tells you the name of her handler and I've always hated doing other peoples homework for them. There's a wealth of evidence of radioactive fallout...
Not to mention that the cleanup procedures employed at ground zero, I.e. spreading wet sand, hosing down with water, requiring the removal of clothing and the like, that is pretty standard radioactive decontamination protocols.
A few years back, Rumormillnews had their entire archives wiped out so some of the original links to their site aren't working but I did a little digging and found this gem on the wayback machine. If your genuinely curious as to how this theory came about, this is a good start....
web.archive.org...://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=25146
Scroll on down to where it says 'EXPLOSIVES MIXED IN CONCRETE ANSWERS ALL OF THE ABOVE', pretty fascinating read and probably something folks need to grab a copy of considering the frequent server attacks on alternative news sites like RMN.
Link isn't working because of the multiple http tags in their address. The original URL of the article is http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/arc...read=25146 and it looks like you might have to manually search for it here. But it's there for now, enjoy!
Here's another pretty interesting read in regards to the actual construction of the WTC..

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11demolitionexplained.html
There were curious mentions of factors like the revised plans for the core not being made available until 2 days before work on the core was due to begin as well as the strange security measures inconsistent with what ordinarily were simply construction processes. This was mostly associated with the rebar having the "special plastic coating"....

The actual slowdown in construction upon discovery of the rebar coating failure, when it was revealed by the government agency constructing, and the videographers had to pry for this information (contractors revealed economic damages from un explained security measures), that there was a special anti corrosion, anti vibration resistant coating on the rebar of the concrete core structure. The coating was flammable and special precautions were to be taken, meaning the government would conduct the butt welding of the 3 inch vertical bar with welders having a security clearance prior to regular crews running the horizontal minor steel that is tied with wire.

Welders working on the main steel couldn't be used because they didn't have security clearances. A special crew with armed escorts standing outside visual screens in the beginning of construction removed the coating from the bars, beveled the bar ends, welded the bar and x-rayed them. The armed guards were removed after suspicions were aroused.

Pretty interesting when you throw a Bin Laden Construction Group into that mix. Check the link out though, that's just a snippet.

An Excerpt from the statement of Robert L. Parish Sr.
On day, as the lead consultant engineer was in my lab talking just about "stuff", I asked him, "Sometime in future, in 50 years or so, how are these Twin Towers are going to be taken down as tall as they were going to be and as tight as land is in a crowded city, without causing fast destruction to other buildings?"
He was standing upright. He outstretched his right arm with his palm down. And said, "Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam" as he lowered his hand down one imaginary floor at a time. All the way down to the floor. I knew that we had to certify these commutators to be able to operate continuously for 50 years without service or repair as our part of the contract. He explained that as the buildings are being built, explosive charges are being incorporated into the structures at key floor joint locations. So, that when the first charges are set-off at the top floors, they will take that floor down to the next. And the charges at that floor will take it down to the next floor. This will continue all the way down. The Twin Towers will come straight down like a stack of pancakes. When the buildings get old and no longer useful or profitable to have and maintain, all it will take is a phone call to take them down.

No wonder the Port Authority was refusing to give up the blueprints and making people sign agreements not to sue them over the information.