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[twitchy]

It's all about perception I guess. How much Strontium do you reckon gives cause for 'human concern'? How about 30.7 ppm of Thorium on one girder, would that be cause for human concern? 7.57ppm of Uranium in girder coatings... it's not just tritium, it's a soup of isotopes that are far above beyond what was anticipated.
I hate 'maths', but ok let's do some. 4 million gallons of water minus tritium devided by gaseous dispersal and add that number to the same DOE officials that earlier that year had maps of Iraq laid out at the energy policy meeting that year, then add cesium, uranium, thorium, barium, strontium, yttrium, rubidium, molybdenum, lanthanum, cerium, chromium and zinc and you still end up with a headache at 5am.
Look at the pics, does that look like the first fire related collapse of a steel framed high rise in the history of modern construction to you?
I'm not a 'truther', I'm just a regular joe. I'm not selling any books or producing the latest documentary on 9-11 for $19.95... I just don't like bullchit flavored kool aid, and if I can keep other people from drinking it, so much the better. Besides, what is the opposite of 'truther' you reckon? Always got a kick out of that particular ad hominem, what sickness of western propaganda could cause the word truth to become some kind of insult lol.
...the dust cloud spread five miles. Yes I know what test the photo came from, I used it because it was a KT yield device and because of it's placement underground which produced a similar pyroclastic type dust we saw at WTC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedan_(nuclear_test)
A circular area of the desert floor five miles across was obscured by fast-expanding dust clouds moving out horizontally from the base surge, akin to pyroclastic surge...

The only thing any of us have to 'lose' here is ignorance. Rather than quoting the source, as it is pretty extensive, I am going to post a link for you. You can read it, or you can ignore it, but it will help you understand a little more about the levels of different isotopes the DOE found and how the correlation of those levels indicate a fission reaction. I would quote the text here but it's pretty extensive and I'm curious to see what, if anything, you come back with from it...
https://web.archive.org/web/201306140608...ed-on-911/
A burning polystyrene flapping about in the breeze isn't really a comparison to an office building fire though is it? Yes plastics produce a black smoke, you flap it around in the breeze and low and behold, you're right it isn't starved for oxygen. You put it in a largely intact office building that has to draw air in through openings... well you're not going to agree with that though are you? Let's see your flapping piece of polystyrene melt structural steel in a giant heat sink frame and keep it at temperatures exceeding 1500 degrees for two months after it's been sprayed with 4 million gallons of water.
They don't have to actively suppress anything, here's one example of how it works...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6z7sEcC8nA
Online Persona Management Services, brought to you by CENTCOM. One person, ten accounts all flagging and starring themselves, it's not hard to imagine how that gets out of hand particularly when they focus their efforts on a specific site like ATS for example, to quote the video linked, "it creates a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with it's own objectives". That's just one little itty bitty facet of the world's most effective and prolific propaganda machinery. The media doesn't have to be complicit, they just have to read the script and sound convincing (which is their job description to begin with).
* molten steel, hot spots that 1500 degrees over a month later, after being sprayed with millions of gallons of water.
* I've never known a flash of light to go through concrete, have you? Interesting light shows in the wiring of neighboring buildings though.
* Countless reports of explosions. Would you know what a SADM sounded like if it were set off in a building?
* I suggest you look up the seismic data from Pallisades NY for 9/11
* Shaped charges. Click back a couple pages.
* Yes there was fallout.
https://web.archive.org/web/201306140608...ed-on-911/
* Again, Pallisades...
* No mushroom cloud.

The Sedan Nuclear detonation test didn't have a nice pretty mushroom cloud either, but it was pretty real.
* Plenty of evidence if you don't get your information from talking points laid out for you on a debunking flow chart.

Judy Wood is a joke. And the exit signs in the WTC complex were removed years before 9/11.
Loud dull roar, large boom, who knows really, but if you can find a video of a modern SADM going off in an enclosed building for comparison, then let me know and I'll post it for you. Pretty big damned boom if you ask me, oddly immediately preceeding the collapses of both WTC 1 and WTC 2.
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guar...-wtc-1.jpg
How many 'experts' do you reckon would publicly comment on it? There was one that worked at Pallisades who said it looked consistent with an underground detonation, of course you won't find that laying around on the net now even tough it was something that was reported in the MSM at the time....
I'd say 600 feet of lateral ejection at a 45 degree angle is a pretty decent amount of 'great force'.
As much of a third of the mass of the towers was literally atomized into micron sized particulate...there's nothing on this planet aside from a nuclear detonation or a chemical reaction that would explain that pulverized concrete. The energy required to do that has never been accounted for, certainly not by NIST or the 9/11 commission.

What you call hearsay, others would call eyewitness testimony, in this case, strangely, eyewitness testimony from hundreds of firefighters and the like were blocked from testifying before the 9/11 committee despite their protests. There's an extensive list of reports of explosions, I'm sure you are well aware of that. Those sounds could be attributed to any number of things, we will never know 'officially' as the debris was never 'officially' tested for explosive residue before it was hauled off under the tightest security ever given to debris (one driver was fired for stopping to eat). Criminal destruction of evidence, tampering with a crime scene, insurance fraud, conspiracy, mass murder... I'm sure there's a vested interest in making sure the explosions were attributed to anything but explosives. If you can think of anything other than explosives that would turn 90 thousand tons of cured concrete into micron sized particulate rich in radioactive isotopes, register on seismographs miles away, and leave no trace of recognizable debris from above the 6th floor, I'd love to hear your theory as fire from office furniture just doesn't do that, at least it never has prior to 9-11 or afterwards. Steel framed high rises don't collapse due to fire, it's one of the perks of modern steel construction.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLE...osion.html
I'm sure you are aware that a nuclear detonation can be shaped, and can yields as low as 10kt have been tested and produced by the US. You are also aware that you can stand behind or beside a cannon being fired without being turned to jelly, right? Why do you suppose that is?
The explosions they heard were explosions, which probably explains why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled off the WTC site by Securacom on 9-6-2001. 'Firefighters' is pretty vague, there's a few 'firefighters' who said it was explosives planted in the building. All this has been hashed out a million times, yes there were explosives in the building. Of what type remains to be ascertained.

Heightened Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted
By Curtis L. Taylor and Sean Gardiner
STAFF WRITERS
September 12, 2001

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

Security guard Hermina Jones said officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center..

[twitchy]

Funny stuff huh?

[twitchy]

If you can't get some of the links to work just look the URL up on the wayback machine circa 2008-2012 and it should pull them up. I apologize in advance for the wall of text but the original thread is being deleted piece by piece and I am having to rescue portions of it from the memory hole.

[Guest]

I have been using Get Smart as an example for over 30 years.

Control and Kaos = Order ab Chao

GET SMART.

They were telling you right in your face.

Another very obvious one was "Bewitched".

Samantha always solved Darren's advertising
campaign problems with Witchcraft.

Advertising using witchcraft.

And for the record, I always liked Dick York over
Dick Sargent, who Bewitched *magically* replaced
without ever addressing the actor change or skipping
a beat.

Irrelevant personal fact:

I dated a girl for many years who bore a
striking resemblance to Barbara Feldon,
who I always thought was sexy as hell.

But Maryann over Ginger for sure.

[twitchy]

I have been using Get Smart as an example for over 30 years.

Control and Kaos = Order ab Chao

GET SMART.

They were telling you right in your face.

Another very obvious one was "Bewitched".

Samantha always solved Darren's advertising
campaign problems with Witchcraft.

Advertising using witchcraft.

And for the record, I always liked Dick York over
Dick Sargent, who Bewitched *magically* replaced
without ever addressing the actor change or skipping
a beat.

Irrelevant personal fact:

I dated a girl for many years who bore a
striking resemblance to Barbara Feldon,
who I always thought was sexy as hell.

But Maryann over Ginger for sure.

I'm a Barbara Eden man myself :) I think it would be interesting to go back and look at some of those old shows now and cross reference with them with the current events of the day, this thread was sort of an effort in that direction.

[FallingDown]

I have been using Get Smart as an example for over 30 years.

Control and Kaos = Order ab Chao

GET SMART.

They were telling you right in your face.

Another very obvious one was "Bewitched".

Samantha always solved Darren's advertising
campaign problems with Witchcraft.

Advertising using witchcraft.

And for the record, I always liked Dick York over
Dick Sargent, who Bewitched *magically* replaced
without ever addressing the actor change or skipping
a beat.

Irrelevant personal fact:

I dated a girl for many years who bore a
striking resemblance to Barbara Feldon,
who I always thought was sexy as hell.

But Maryann over Ginger for sure.

You might be onto something?

When looking at the history of manifest destiny and the conquest of the American west.

F troop is historically accurate and a good source to start with .

[twitchy]

You might be onto something?

When looking at the history of manifest destiny and the  conquest of the  American  west.

F troop  is historically accurate and a good source to start with .

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058800/fullcredits
Will check it out...

[VonLud]

Please say a lot.

Not alot.

Thank you.

Grammmmer peeps/

[twitchy]

Please say a lot.

Not alot.

Thank you.

Grammmmer peeps/

You gonna be humping my ankle regular like?