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(08-13-2018, 11:18 AM)OldWhiteGuy Wrote: Obamacare is Hillarycare-Light.... Hillary wanted a single payer system.  That's kind of what England and Canada have.... sort of.  Basically, everyone has access to healthcare.  We already have this.  It's called -

Go to the emergency room,  then ignore doctor bills or file bankruptcy.

Ok, I'm a Trumptard. I'm 150% conservative.  I'm in favor of having both systems.  Insurance and single payer.  Wealthy folks can buy insurance and get the best healthcare.  Poor folks would have free care,  but maybe not the best.  

It's better than nothing or having your credit destroyed.  

I see no reason why we spend billions defending Eurotards, while they enjoy free healthcare.  Let them pay for those missiles.  Let's see how that works in socialism land.

^^ Hear, Hear. There is no reason the U.S. needs to foot the bill for the other members of NATO. It is not 1941 and the British or French should be able to pay their own bill for security.
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(08-13-2018, 07:51 PM)Zhivago Wrote:
(08-13-2018, 05:44 PM)kkkken Wrote:
(08-13-2018, 04:06 PM)Zhivago Wrote: Nobody will force you to go to a doctor. You have the freedom to stay at home.
You must be very young or very rich. What do you propose people do who can't afford it?

Make better choices?  

You know nothing about me, and your guesses, are wrong.

Sorry, I didn't mean "you" specifically. I meant that in the general term. Also, my comment was incorrect because I thought the topic was healthcare in general... didn't see that it was specifically for health insurance. Sorry.

You said "you" four times, and two of them seemed directed at me. Whatever; I suppose "make better choices" applies in word choice, as well.
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(08-13-2018, 07:49 PM)Zhivago Wrote:
(08-13-2018, 05:32 PM)oldcynic Wrote:
(08-13-2018, 04:06 PM)Zhivago Wrote: Nobody will force you to go to a doctor. You have the freedom to stay at home.
You must be very young or very rich. What do you propose people do who can't afford it?


How to negotiate directly with physicians and hospitals.
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As the post-vasectomy head of a healthy household, do I really want to be swimming in the Obamacare risk pool with millions of morbidly obese, perpetually pregnant, HIV infected drug abusers? ­­

-hedgeless_horseman



This is the written version of the talk that I gave last June at the First ZeroHedge Symposium and Live Fight Club in Marfa, Texas.  The symposium theme was disintermediation, and this talk was titled: How to negotiate directly with physicians and hospitals.

I have more than 15 years of experience negotiating physician practice and hospital payment agreements.  I have worked on site at more than 100 hospitals, surgical centers, and medical practices, in more than 20 states.  Regarding healthcare pricing, billing, and collections practices, I have been a conference speaker, author, and an invited witness at congressional committees.  I am not a doctor, attorney, or accountant, nor am I giving you any medical, legal, or tax advice.  I am not selling anything.  I am merely sharing my experiences and personal opinions.  I am not receiving any compensation or financial benefit for doing this.

If you have Medicare, Medicaid, VA, TriCare, Obamacare, or another subsidized private insurance because you or a family member are employed by the federal, state, or local government, including police and fire, say, "Socialized medicine!"  Now, for your comrades that live outside the USA, everywhere from the socialist utopias of Venezuela and Canada...to the formerly Great Britain...to the People's Republic of China...to the United Arab Emirates, repeat after me, "Socialized medicine for the poor...and poor medicine for everyone!"

My presentation, today, will mostly be limited to technique and tools, that is, how to negotiate.  Why we should negotiate directly for healthcare is mostly outside of the scope of my presentation, but I imagine we will probably get more into that during the discussion to follow.

You are going to need five things, which I am going to give to you, today, free of charge!

1)  Some absolutely critical industry vocabulary

2)  A clear understanding of how healthcare is priced in the USA

3)  Insight into to actual pricing

4)  A proven negotiation strategy, including:

       a.       The point of contact

       b.       Foreknowledge of what prices medical providers will usually agree to

       c.        A sample offer and agreement

5)  The confidence to successfully negotiate

Read more @ https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-1...-hospitals

If someone is disabled, they don't have any money to even use a discounted doctor. Tell me where there is a free doctor for such people.

Logical question for which I have no answer. Back in the day, churches, civic organisations, friends and neighbors pitched in. I suspect there may still be private physicians and organisations, perhaps church operated hospitals.
Not that this will answer your question, but this is one good reason why I left the U.S. upon retirement. Too expensive!
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