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First modern Britons had 'dark to black' skin, Cheddar Man DNA analysis reveals
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I know understand why they call themselves 'Liberals'.

They take Liberty with Science and History!
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They liberate themselves from all truth and reality.
"Here they defended themselves to the last, those who still had swords using them, and the others resisting with their hands and teeth."Herodotus VII, 225
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(09-13-2018, 03:48 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: Jptdknpa
"It was initially assumed that Cheddar Man had pale skin and fair hair, but his DNA paints a different picture, strongly suggesting he had blue eyes, a very dark brown to black complexion and dark curly hair."


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Here is the actual skull of this 'Cheddar man"...they are lying.
This skull is Caucasoid.
 They can fool people who haven't studied skeletons, but they can't fool those of us who have!

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Yes.

Anthros and even archeos would -and do- argue with the "geneticists" and their "new model" all day long over this one, based on the skeletal remains. The current scientific wisdom is that skin color of prehistoric remains cannot be absolutely predicted at this time. The degradation of 10,000 years does a number on the material. There has not even been reconciliation between known skin pigmentation genes of Asian and Euro populations and the wide pigmentation variations in African peoples.

This I can tell you with the tiniest bit of authority: In the professor's lounge, the hushed tones say this recent Cheddar man discovery is guesswork bordering on hopium bordering on hoax.
He came to break things. -Monty Pelerin
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(09-13-2018, 04:52 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 04:09 PM)Guest Wrote: The early hunters followed the herds of herbivores north during the summer months where the warmth and long summer days provided the growth of the vegetation which they grazed on. Britain was joined to mainland Europe at the time.

Once summer had passed the herbivores would move south to graze on the pastures of the southern lands where winter rains would provide adequate food for them. The hunters would follow the herds south.

Vitamin D deficiency (rickets) causes malformation of the pelvic bones which makes normal childbirth impossible. A lighter skin colour is required outside of the tropics to synthesise sufficient vitamin D on the skin to prevent rickets.

Nursing mothers must also provide sufficient vitamin D for their babies which they have stored during the summer months for the baby to thrive.

Supplements are given to pregnant women and nursing mothers which contain vitamin D, also foods are fortified, something not provided in the past.

Once permanent settlements were established outside of the tropics a lighter skin would be required for vitamin D production.

There is insufficient grazing in the higher latitudes during the winter months and modern day farmers provide hay, silage and supplements in order for their livestock to survive this period.

Laplanders have been doing just fine without migrating south...
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Of course they have.

What I am saying is that the hunter gatherer peoples who came north to Europe could well have had darker skin as they followed the herds they hunted and returned south during the winter months, their nomadic lifestyle spent partly in the lower latitudes where UV levels were strong enabled them to synthesie sufficient vitamin D on the skin. Once permanent settlements were established in Europe with a farming lifestyle then the permanent residents would have had to have had a light skin colour in order to synthesise vitamin D on the skin as UV levels are lower and far too low during the the winter months for vitamin D synthesis. Rickets (vitamin D deficiency) results in malformation of the pelvic bones making normal childbirth impossible. Previous to modern times it was common for women to die during childbirth. This was a strong selective factor for lighter skin to optimise vitamin D synthesis. This is why Caucasians have light skin, this is why the permanent inhabitants of Europe are light skinned.
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(09-13-2018, 05:39 PM)Guest Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 04:52 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 04:09 PM)Guest Wrote: The early hunters followed the herds of herbivores north during the summer months where the warmth and long summer days provided the growth of the vegetation which they grazed on. Britain was joined to mainland Europe at the time.

Once summer had passed the herbivores would move south to graze on the pastures of the southern lands where winter rains would provide adequate food for them. The hunters would follow the herds south.

Vitamin D deficiency (rickets) causes malformation of the pelvic bones which makes normal childbirth impossible. A lighter skin colour is required outside of the tropics to synthesise sufficient vitamin D on the skin to prevent rickets.

Nursing mothers must also provide sufficient vitamin D for their babies which they have stored during the summer months for the baby to thrive.

Supplements are given to pregnant women and nursing mothers which contain vitamin D, also foods are fortified, something not provided in the past.

Once permanent settlements were established outside of the tropics a lighter skin would be required for vitamin D production.

There is insufficient grazing in the higher latitudes during the winter months and modern day farmers provide hay, silage and supplements in order for their livestock to survive this period.

Laplanders have been doing just fine without migrating south...
[Image: laplanders.jpg]

Of course they have.

What I am saying is that the hunter gatherer peoples who came north to Europe could well have had darker skin as they followed the herds they hunted  and returned south during the winter months, their nomadic lifestyle spent partly in the lower latitudes where UV levels were strong enabled them to synthesie sufficient vitamin D on the skin. Once permanent settlements were established in Europe with a farming lifestyle then the permanent residents would have had to have had a light skin colour in order to synthesise vitamin D on the skin as UV levels are lower and far too low during the the winter months for vitamin D synthesis. Rickets (vitamin D deficiency) results in malformation of the pelvic bones making normal childbirth impossible. Previous to modern times it was common for women to die during childbirth. This was a strong selective factor for lighter skin to optimise vitamin D synthesis. This is why Caucasians have light skin, this is why the permanent inhabitants of Europe are light skinned.

Except that I'm pretty sure that skin color genetic changes didn't happen in 5-10k years...

Or are we all now supposed to believe that our planet isn't as old as science has been saying?
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(09-13-2018, 05:42 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 05:39 PM)Guest Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 04:52 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: Laplanders have been doing just fine without migrating south...
[Image: laplanders.jpg]

Of course they have.

What I am saying is that the hunter gatherer peoples who came north to Europe could well have had darker skin as they followed the herds they hunted  and returned south during the winter months, their nomadic lifestyle spent partly in the lower latitudes where UV levels were strong enabled them to synthesie sufficient vitamin D on the skin. Once permanent settlements were established in Europe with a farming lifestyle then the permanent residents would have had to have had a light skin colour in order to synthesise vitamin D on the skin as UV levels are lower and far too low during the the winter months for vitamin D synthesis. Rickets (vitamin D deficiency) results in malformation of the pelvic bones making normal childbirth impossible. Previous to modern times it was common for women to die during childbirth. This was a strong selective factor for lighter skin to optimise vitamin D synthesis. This is why Caucasians have light skin, this is why the permanent inhabitants of Europe are light skinned.

Except that I'm pretty sure that skin color genetic changes didn't happen in 5-10k years...

Or are we all now supposed to believe that our planet isn't as old as science has been saying?

Well, there was some mating with Neanderthals -

Neanderthals 'were flame-haired'

Some Neanderthals were probably redheads, a DNA study has shown.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7062415.stm

Neandertals and modern humans started mating early

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/n...ting-early

NEANDERTHAL GENES GAVE MODERN HUMANS AN IMMUNITY BOOST, ALLERGIES

When modern humans met Neanderthals in Europe and the two species began interbreeding many thousands of years ago, the exchange left humans with gene variations that have increased the ability of those who carry them to ward off infection. This inheritance from Neanderthals may have also left some people more prone to allergies.

https://www.pasteur.fr/en/neanderthal-ge...-allergies
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Guest, you are saying that merely 5-10,000 years ago Neanderthals and humans were mating?
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(09-13-2018, 05:51 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: Guest, you are saying that merely 5-10,000 years ago Neanderthals and humans were mating?

According to this article at least 40,000 years ago -

Neanderthal-Human Hybrid Unearthed

DNA from the 40,000-year-old bones of a modern human found in Europe contains Neanderthal genes.

https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news...thed-35273

The climate of Europe does not preserve much for the researchers to go on. So it could have been earlier than that but the evidence was not preserved.

Why don't we just accept what we know to be true that a lighter skin is required for the synthesis of vitamin D in the higher latitudes of Europe. Rickets would have been the limiting factor. Which is why present day Europeans have a lighter skin colour.
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(09-13-2018, 06:03 PM)Guest Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 05:51 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: Guest, you are saying that merely 5-10,000 years ago Neanderthals and humans were mating?

According to this article at least 40,000 years ago -

Neanderthal-Human Hybrid Unearthed

DNA from the 40,000-year-old bones of a modern human found in Europe contains Neanderthal genes.

https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news...thed-35273

The climate of Europe does not preserve much for the researchers to go on. So it could have been earlier than that but the evidence was not preserved.

Why don't we just accept what we know to be true that a lighter skin is required for the synthesis of vitamin D in the higher latitudes of Europe. Rickets would have been the limiting factor. Which is why present day Europeans have a lighter skin colour.

Well, then that article cannot possible explain the topic of THIS thread.

Cheddar man isn't anywhere near that old.

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No, Cheddar man was a nomadic hunter. He travelled north during the summer months following the animals he hunted. The U.K. was connected to mainland Europe at that time. After the summer months the herds travelled south and Cheddar man followed them. This is because there would be no grasses to graze on in Northern Europe during winter.

Cheddar man must have died during his migration. His people were nomadic hunters, there was no farming or settled lifestyle at that time.

If he did have a darker skin colouration
it was because he was from the south and only travelled north during summer.
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