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CORN...No one knows where it came from.
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If corn can survive a trip through hydrochloric acid bath, it can survive a trip through space on a frozen rock.
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I was under the impression that Origin was known .

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(02-02-2018, 05:44 PM)Gentoo Wrote: If corn can survive a trip through hydrochloric acid bath, it can survive a trip through space on a frozen rock.

.But you're missing the point of a cultigen.

If a corn-seed(s) were to fall to earth attached to an asteroid it would STILL need human intervention to survive and pollinate. And it takes many many seeds to even get it right.
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(02-02-2018, 05:50 PM)Heir Wrote: I was under the impression that Origin was known .

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Chuckle
Nope.

The have some vague theories but no. A parent plant or even one close has never been found.
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(02-02-2018, 05:57 PM)Ishtahota Wrote: Chuckle
Nope.

The have some vague theories but no. A parent plant or even one close has never been found.

So , Corn Mother and The Maidens is out then .

( dang Materialist Mind Set Science )
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(02-02-2018, 05:16 PM)Ishtahota Wrote:
(02-02-2018, 04:31 PM)Fallingdown Wrote: They ate hard corn and milled it.  Sweet corn was a mutation from hard corn .  So was the hard corn cultivate or did it mutate on its own ?

Hey friend!

Yes, selective breeding will get sweet corn from hard corn but that's the rub, we have never seen a plant morph/mutate to a viable new strain before. It takes a 'mother plant' which there is none for corn. And as a 'Cultigen'  (must have human support to live) how can it just 'poof' into existence.

Yep, I am leaning towards intervention.

This plant is/was the sole support of our population boom 10,000 years ago. Without it we would not have been able to even start any form of 'civilization' in its current form.

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Believe it or not, corn is a regular topic in Kentucky . Chuckle

I lean towards the theory that it developed on it's own. All it would've taken is a single mutation in a single plant .
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(02-02-2018, 04:13 PM)Heir Wrote: Speaking of Corn . . . My non GMO Yeller Gritzs just got in from South Carolina .

And just in time for Lunch . How fortuitous !

That is something that has stumped me for years.

Grits and hominy. I eat them both and love them both.

But how and why did the ancients learn to process the corn into hominy, dry it, grind it and use the resultant masa to make tortillas? It isn't an easy process. My dad used to do it so I have first hand experience in what it entails.

Read the following and let it soak in. This is not something that just happened one day in the life of an Aztec.

Hominy is made in a process called nixtamalization. To make hominy, field corn (maize) grain is dried, then treated by soaking and cooking the mature (hard) grain in a dilute solution of lye (which can be produced from water and wood ash) or of slaked lime (calcium hydroxide, i.e. from lime (material) as in limestone, not from lime (fruit)). The soaked maize is washed. Alkalinity helps dissolve hemicellulose, the major glue-like component of the maize cell walls, loosens the hulls from the kernels, and softens the corn. Also, soaking the corn in lye[1] kills the seed's germ, which keeps it from sprouting while in storage. Finally, in addition to providing a source of dietary calcium, the lye or lime reacts with the corn so that the nutrient niacin can be assimilated by the digestive tract[2]. People consume hominy in intact kernels, grind it into sand-sized particles for grits, or into flour.

In Mexican cooking, hominy is finely ground to make masa. Fresh masa that has been dried and powdered is called masa seca or masa harina. Some of the corn oil breaks down into emulsifying agents (monoglycerides and diglycerides), and facilitates bonding the corn proteins to each other. The divalent calcium in lime acts as a cross-linking agent for protein and polysaccharide acidic side chains. Cornmeal from untreated ground corn cannot form a dough with the addition of water, but the chemical changes in masa (aka masa nixtamalera) make dough formation possible, for tortillas and other food.

Previously, consuming untreated corn was thought to cause pellagra (niacin deficiency)—either from the corn itself or some infectious element in untreated corn. However, further advancements showed that it is a correlational, not causal, relationship. In the 1700s and 1800s, areas that depended highly on corn as a diet staple were more likely to have pellagra. This is because humans cannot absorb niacin in untreated corn. The nixtamalization process frees niacin into a state where the intestines can absorb it. This was discovered primarily by exploring why Mexican people who depended on maize did not develop pellagra. One reason was that Mayans treated corn in an alkaline solution to soften it, in the process now called nixtamalization.[3] The earliest known use of nixtamalization was in what is present-day southern Mexico and Guatemala around 1500–1200 BC.
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(02-02-2018, 06:13 PM)Heir Wrote:
(02-02-2018, 05:57 PM)Ishtahota Wrote: Chuckle
Nope.

The have some vague theories but no. A parent plant or even one close has never been found.

So , Corn Mother and The Maidens is out then .

( dang Materialist Mind Set Science )

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Corn Mother

In the Penobscot version, First Mother, Corn Mother, when the first people began multiplying on the earth and came to her because they where hungry the First Mother became very sad. Her husband became sad too and asked her what he could do to make her stop weeping. She told him, "You have to kill me." He was thunderstruck and refused, instead sought the advice of the All Maker in the north.

The old All Maker told him that he must do as his wife, the First Mother, said. The husband, now weeping himself, returned home. So the First Mother told him that when the sun was highest in the sky, he was to kill her, and then have two of her sons drag her body over the empty parts of the earth, pulling her back and forth by her silky hair until her flesh had been scraped from her body. Then they were to leave, waiting until seven moons had come and gone before they returned. At that time they would find her flesh, lovingly given, and it would feed the people and make them strong for all time.

These sad instructions were carried out, and after seven moons had come and gone, her children and their children returned to find the earth covered with green plants with silken tassels, and fruit-their mother's flesh-was sweet and tender. As instructed, they saved some of their find to be place back into the earth at a later time. In this way the First Mother's flesh and her spirit are renewed every seven moons and continually sustain the flesh and spirit of her children.

Whenever her children eat corn they remember their mother, and in this way she lives, her love constantly renewing itself from generation to generation.

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Corn is also recyclable . ( if you know what I mean ) V6sRZf4
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