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COMMENTARY: Patrick Buchanan on Tariffs -- The Taxes That Made America Great
#31
(05-15-2019, 07:47 PM)Treebeard Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 07:10 PM)DaJavoo Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 09:51 AM)Treebeard Wrote: This is 2019 not 1890. The U.S. does not domestically produce vast sectors of manufactured goods anymore.
Tariffs would be more acceptable if they were instituted not only vis-a-vis China but all the other cheap goods
importers. They can be part of a comprehensive plan. In this case, they are not, they are being used as weapons
in an executive card game, with no discussion and no warning. So farmers and many others here and in China
are being punished with no time to adjust their planning.

There's not a lot to discuss at this juncture because no deal is on the table, just tit-for-tats.
Let's see a deal then evaluate its merits and shortcomings at the appropriate time. Trump needs to do a
better job of telling the American people what he wants to do and how to do it - or he will lose on this issue.

Which vast sectors of manufactured goods aren't produced (or capable of being made) in this country?

POTUS told China in 2016 what he would do.  Smart manufacturers left China, many are now leaving and more will.

The American farmer will still be able to sell his/her products ~ tariff money will purchase to share with the world, for starters.

The DEAL is free trade.  No tariffs, either side = win/win.  

I can't imagine you have NOT heard POTUS explain this to the American people ~ oh, unless you only listen to msm.

I oppose free trade. My argument is not with tariffs, it's about using tariffs as a threat and taking everyone by surprise
as opposed to including them as PART of a comprehensive plan to MAGA.

Entire sectors off top of my head? Textiles, Apparel, Jewelry, Consumer Electronics, Toys, Furniture, Disposables, etc.
I'm not saying none of this is made here (although that is the case in some), but that it's a smidgen compared
to what it used to be, and what it should be, if you want to have a country that produces objects, not just services.
You might also consider that much of the American company data is not even REALLY MADE HERE, it is made elsewhere
but the revenues accrue to American companies. For example your Levis made in Lesotho or your car parts made in Mexico,
your home goods made in Taiwan but revenue produced to an American LLC, with 10 people in it.

POTUS isn't using tariffs as a threat. He said he would levy them if the sitch didn't change ~ he CAMPAIGNED on the issue ~ that's three year's warning. He's been saying it all along ~ and he wasn't joking. He's one man who walks his talk. And, now we have another campaign promise delivered. This should have caught no one by surprise ~ there was plenty of warning.

POTUS cannot snap his fingers (re: magic wand) and bring all offshore enterprises back home over night. But, they ARE returning.

The conditions are right for 'Made in America' once again ~ and it's happening.
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#32
(05-15-2019, 09:50 PM)DaJavoo Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 07:47 PM)Treebeard Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 07:10 PM)DaJavoo Wrote: Which vast sectors of manufactured goods aren't produced (or capable of being made) in this country?

POTUS told China in 2016 what he would do.  Smart manufacturers left China, many are now leaving and more will.

The American farmer will still be able to sell his/her products ~ tariff money will purchase to share with the world, for starters.

The DEAL is free trade.  No tariffs, either side = win/win.  

I can't imagine you have NOT heard POTUS explain this to the American people ~ oh, unless you only listen to msm.

I oppose free trade. My argument is not with tariffs, it's about using tariffs as a threat and taking everyone by surprise
as opposed to including them as PART of a comprehensive plan to MAGA.

Entire sectors off top of my head? Textiles, Apparel, Jewelry, Consumer Electronics, Toys, Furniture, Disposables, etc.
I'm not saying none of this is made here (although that is the case in some), but that it's a smidgen compared
to what it used to be, and what it should be, if you want to have a country that produces objects, not just services.
You might also consider that much of the American company data is not even REALLY MADE HERE, it is made elsewhere
but the revenues accrue to American companies. For example your Levis made in Lesotho or your car parts made in Mexico,
your home goods made in Taiwan but revenue produced to an American LLC, with 10 people in it.

POTUS isn't using tariffs as a threat.  He said he would levy them if the sitch didn't change ~ he CAMPAIGNED on the issue ~ that's three year's warning.  He's been saying it all along ~ and he wasn't joking.  He's one man who walks his talk.  And, now we have another campaign promise delivered.  This should have caught no one by surprise ~ there was plenty of warning.

POTUS cannot snap his fingers (re: magic wand) and bring all offshore enterprises back home over night.  But, they ARE returning.

The conditions are right for 'Made in America' once again ~ and it's happening.

20 years ago when you went to a small town Walmart many products had a made in America label on them.

Lets return to American industry. Many more people will have jobs. And they will be less dependent on the gov for hand outs.

Besides, most Chinese products are inferior to comparable American products. Who wants to purchase a piece of junk?

Maybe that is why the Chinese called their boats a Junk. Chuckle
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(05-15-2019, 11:03 PM)phxsparks Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 09:50 PM)DaJavoo Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 07:47 PM)Treebeard Wrote: I oppose free trade. My argument is not with tariffs, it's about using tariffs as a threat and taking everyone by surprise
as opposed to including them as PART of a comprehensive plan to MAGA.

Entire sectors off top of my head? Textiles, Apparel, Jewelry, Consumer Electronics, Toys, Furniture, Disposables, etc.
I'm not saying none of this is made here (although that is the case in some), but that it's a smidgen compared
to what it used to be, and what it should be, if you want to have a country that produces objects, not just services.
You might also consider that much of the American company data is not even REALLY MADE HERE, it is made elsewhere
but the revenues accrue to American companies. For example your Levis made in Lesotho or your car parts made in Mexico,
your home goods made in Taiwan but revenue produced to an American LLC, with 10 people in it.

POTUS isn't using tariffs as a threat.  He said he would levy them if the sitch didn't change ~ he CAMPAIGNED on the issue ~ that's three year's warning.  He's been saying it all along ~ and he wasn't joking.  He's one man who walks his talk.  And, now we have another campaign promise delivered.  This should have caught no one by surprise ~ there was plenty of warning.

POTUS cannot snap his fingers (re: magic wand) and bring all offshore enterprises back home over night.  But, they ARE returning.

The conditions are right for 'Made in America' once again ~ and it's happening.

20 years ago when you went to a small town Walmart many products had a made in America label on them.

Lets return to American industry.  Many more people will have jobs.  And they will be less dependent on the gov for hand outs.

Besides, most Chinese products are inferior to comparable American products.  Who wants to purchase a piece of junk?

Maybe that is why the Chinese called their boats a Junk. Chuckle

I recall Sam Walton boasting he would only carry 'Made in U.S.A.' products and not imports unless there was no alternative.
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(05-15-2019, 11:17 AM)Treebeard Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 11:00 AM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: @Treebeard you must be very young.

I am not very young and have an M.A. in History.
You didn't understand my posts here. Read them again and please quote whatever issue you perceive.

You can wipe your ass with that Masters in history... I think YOU need to go back and read a BUNCH of that shit again.

She is 100% correct.

Think for yourself

...tell the person next to you ..You Love Them.
Knock and the door will be opened.
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#35
(05-15-2019, 03:37 AM)Secret Wrote: The country subsidizing the most can get hurt the most.

IMO it comes down to currency because it's the product price times the currency conversion rate.

So, forcing the price of local currency down can temporarily offset tariffs.


"Yuan slides for record 12th day".
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(05-16-2019, 07:47 AM)Secret Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 03:37 AM)Secret Wrote: The country subsidizing the most can get hurt the most.

IMO it comes down to currency because it's the product price times the currency conversion rate.

So, forcing the price of local currency down can temporarily offset tariffs.


"Yuan slides for record 12th day".

China is doing wrong here. They should have let the yuan stay where it was. All this lowering of the yuan is China doing currency market manipulation.

Trump is very aware of how all this works. I do believe it was why the military picked Trump. Beside watching him for years and years. Yes, the military keeps track of what's happening in the civilian world. They keep track of everything they think is important to them and the USA. And Trump is a mover and shaker and markets moved on what he said. Trump was and still is one of those dudes that can crash stocks just by stating something or starting a rumor. It's how, dang brain y'all but if I get this one wrong, I know y'all know who I'm talking about. Crap, going to ixquick to look now. (smartpage.com I'm still trying to remember they changed the name and I'm starting to get it finally. Chuckle ) Rothschild? I'm not using the correct search term, brain is not working today concisely. Facepalm Anyway, he lied and said England lost when England won and the stocks crashed, he bought them for pennies and when the truth came out, he was richer than anyone else because he was a liar and people listened to him. Trump can do the same thing if he wants to. That's power right there. And the military is aware of all the "power" out there. It ain't all countries. Sometimes it's people.

And it's why Trump is going to raise the tariffs if it continues. This is manipulation. It's not market factors.

China is known for currency manipulation. So anyone watching this "in the know" knew this was going to happen. It's why China would not peg itself to the dollar or give up this currency manipulation they have been doing for decades now. China is out for blood. China is holding grudges. And these grudges are against the western world.
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Retaliation over S-400? Trump cancels Turkey’s preferential trade status

https://www.rt.com/business/459548-turke...cancelled/

Donald Trump has terminated the preferential trade agreement which provided Turkey with partial tax-free access to US markets, in a move some see as Washington’s retaliation for the NATO ally’s increasingly independent policies.

More than two months after the United States threatened to end Turkey’s participation in Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) program, President Donald Trump on Thursday cut off Ankara’s access to the program, noting that the country is no longer a developing state


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