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#31
(10-30-2018, 11:33 AM)unclelunatic Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 11:32 AM)Monk Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 11:26 AM)unclelunatic Wrote: Kiss
Good job

But you know you could have a cell phone without using social media, right?

I hope your detox from that crap goes well and you spend your extra time doing something you love

Yeah I know but cell phone are so ridiculously unhealthy for us, and I just wanted to do away with it...lol I still have a landline

Chuckle  My parents still have a landline, I don't understand why

I would like to one day limit my digital screen time, hopefully soon, I am just pretty addicted to playing some games in the evenings while I relax

I have it.

Because I like my name in Print.

And Cell Phones never fucking work.
"100% Bullshit" - Han Sole
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#32
(10-30-2018, 12:10 PM)SMOK3SC33N Wrote: It takes 2 weeks for your FB account to be permanently deleted.

You can't delete it without a court order.
"100% Bullshit" - Han Sole
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#33
(10-30-2018, 12:42 PM)unclelunatic Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 12:38 PM)sybdragon Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 11:33 AM)unclelunatic Wrote: Chuckle  My parents still have a landline, I don't understand why

I would like to one day limit my digital screen time, hopefully soon, I am just pretty addicted to playing some games in the evenings while I relax

I have a landline. My phone company is the internet company. My internet is cheaper than the phone line is and I don't even have caller ID on it although I am thinking about springing the $3 monthly for it. I have an old fashioned answering machine on it and if you don't talk into the answering machine, I don't answer your call. It works very well. This time my message is polite. One time I put in this message, "I'm not here. If you want to leave a message, leave one. If I want to get back to you, I will." And my Mom thought that was so rude of me. I told her, "I pay for the phone for my convenience, not everyone else's." Most of the time, my ringer was off too. The answering machine would come on and if I wanted to answer it, I would. Talk to the machine.  Chuckle

But my phone company will not give me either internet or tv cable without a phone. Must take their landline phone service. Costs me $72 a month for internet and phone. I have 350 long distance minutes on it I rarely use I pay for too. They hubby streams videos on his flat tv in the living room 24/7. I stream vids a whole lot too. No problems, no throttling. So worth it. $12 of it is taxes and .gov crap fees and such.  Eyeroll

I do have a cell phone. Two of them actually. I have an Obama phone. It came in the mail. A flat smart type of phone I don't know how to use. I use it to make a couple calls a month and they put, I don't know how many minutes on it a month. You have to use it or they don't put any minutes on it the next month so I call the other cell phone a couple times a month with it. It's only charged up for one day a month. I like the camera of it. It's better than my other cell, which is a flip phone. It is charged up with the other one, one day a month or so. Only when I go somewhere and I don't go anywhere. Cost money every time I go to town. Money I ain't got.  popnana

A landline is good because if you put it on a wire and do not use a portable phone around your house, your side of the conversation can not be recorded and used against you in a court of law without them getting a warrant to tap into your line. A cell phone or portable land line has no protection by law and by the court's rulings. So anything you say, do and put on those cells and portables can be recorded and shoved in your face in court legally. My line is on a wire. Call me paranoid.  V6sRZf4

I use a toshiba laptop to play online. Guess it's around 5 years old now or so. Works great. I do have Win 10. I downloaded it the last day it was free. But my backup disc is Win ? whatever was before Win 10? Wasn't Win 7, just after Win 7 is the one I got because I loved Win 7 and hated the new one. But I am at home in my bedroom where I live mostly. The hubby and I don't watch the same type of stuff. He's not political. He loves his tv. Besides, most of the phone calls are for him. I rarely get a call. I am a loner except for this forum. It's my... social group I hang with? Yep, this is it.  popnana

Well you're not a loner on the fringe  Kiss

And it's nice to see you're not heavy into technology, I am myself but I am from the generation that grew up with computers (33 years old today)

My dream would be to make enough money so I could go buy a home in the woods, near a little town with a decent supermarket and just live in peace
Check the news once or twice a day online, work outside, or work inside, take care of dogs and cats, and just enjoy life.

Alas, I doubt life will allow me to escape it easily

That goal is fairly easy.

Unless you have ties.

You Know, Ties.
"100% Bullshit" - Han Sole
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#34
(10-30-2018, 12:38 PM)sybdragon Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 11:33 AM)unclelunatic Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 11:32 AM)Monk Wrote: Yeah I know but cell phone are so ridiculously unhealthy for us, and I just wanted to do away with it...lol I still have a landline

Chuckle  My parents still have a landline, I don't understand why

I would like to one day limit my digital screen time, hopefully soon, I am just pretty addicted to playing some games in the evenings while I relax

I have a landline. My phone company is the internet company. My internet is cheaper than the phone line is and I don't even have caller ID on it although I am thinking about springing the $3 monthly for it. I have an old fashioned answering machine on it and if you don't talk into the answering machine, I don't answer your call. It works very well. This time my message is polite. One time I put in this message, "I'm not here. If you want to leave a message, leave one. If I want to get back to you, I will." And my Mom thought that was so rude of me. I told her, "I pay for the phone for my convenience, not everyone else's." Most of the time, my ringer was off too. The answering machine would come on and if I wanted to answer it, I would. Talk to the machine.  Chuckle

But my phone company will not give me either internet or tv cable without a phone. Must take their landline phone service. Costs me $72 a month for internet and phone. I have 350 long distance minutes on it I rarely use I pay for too. They hubby streams videos on his flat tv in the living room 24/7. I stream vids a whole lot too. No problems, no throttling. So worth it. $12 of it is taxes and .gov crap fees and such.  Eyeroll

I do have a cell phone. Two of them actually. I have an Obama phone. It came in the mail. A flat smart type of phone I don't know how to use. I use it to make a couple calls a month and they put, I don't know how many minutes on it a month. You have to use it or they don't put any minutes on it the next month so I call the other cell phone a couple times a month with it. It's only charged up for one day a month. I like the camera of it. It's better than my other cell, which is a flip phone. It is charged up with the other one, one day a month or so. Only when I go somewhere and I don't go anywhere. Cost money every time I go to town. Money I ain't got.  popnana

A landline is good because if you put it on a wire and do not use a portable phone around your house, your side of the conversation can not be recorded and used against you in a court of law without them getting a warrant to tap into your line. A cell phone or portable land line has no protection by law and by the court's rulings. So anything you say, do and put on those cells and portables can be recorded and shoved in your face in court legally. My line is on a wire. Call me paranoid.  V6sRZf4

I use a toshiba laptop to play online. Guess it's around 5 years old now or so. Works great. I do have Win 10. I downloaded it the last day it was free. But my backup disc is Win ? whatever was before Win 10? Wasn't Win 7, just after Win 7 is the one I got because I loved Win 7 and hated the new one. But I am at home in my bedroom where I live mostly. The hubby and I don't watch the same type of stuff. He's not political. He loves his tv. Besides, most of the phone calls are for him. I rarely get a call. I am a loner except for this forum. It's my... social group I hang with? Yep, this is it.  popnana

Thank you for sharing a snapshot of how things are. I enjoy knowing about the fabric of the lives of others. Yeah3 Heartflowers
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(10-30-2018, 03:36 PM)sybdragon Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 01:14 PM)Luvapottamus Wrote: I have EHS, electromagnetic hypersensitivity, caused by this defective malicious technology.

I can't tolerate being around wifi and cell phones and smart meters very long without feeling sick, then getting extremely sick.

A nine month exposure to a smart meter next to my home office put me in the hospital twice with peripheral edema of the legs(they swelled up like I had gout because my peripheral circulation was damaged. My vaso-constrictor muscles in the legs weren't pushing blood and waste back up to my heart.

Pulsed RF radiation damages membranes including blood vessels, and it also caused involuntary muscle contractions, and can block both voluntary and involuntary ones.

After the initial hospitalizations I developed other symptoms and hypersensitivity.

In subsuquent exposures to smart meters at close proximity my heart beat was induced into arrythmia.

The muscles contracted "out of time" and I felt like I almost blew out a heart valve the first time.

Just like a car with out of time ignition, you can do engine damage; you can cause heart damage if the muscles squeeze at the wrong time.

This leaves me in a bad position.

I can't work anywhere with WIFI, or a smart meter near me.

So my best alternative is outdoor work, like farm work, lawn service, leaf service.

Problem with lawn work is you need a CELL PHONE to get the jobs.

Please everybody abandon this toxic crap.

3/4 of my dogs now have tumors from living near the cell towers that wouldn't be there if you didn't have a dunce fone.

One of them died from mast cell cancer a couple years ago.

Live in a mobile home. They are big faraday cages. The windows are bad but you can close them off and no wifi or any signal will get into your house. My cell phones do not get a signal in my house. I have to step outside and walk away from the house to get a signal. Then I can come back to my front porch and sit and talk on it. But not inside my house. My kids hate to come here because their Iphones don't work. I do have wifi set up inside. I first got it because my mother-in-law paid for the internet and I pirated off her but I had to buy a modem to set that up and set up the modem in her window sit in my window to pick it up. And my vids turned and turned so I played the vid silently and then replayed it so it wouldn't do that. Sucked. Then they changed that and it really sucked but I wasn't paying for internet so.... then when she died, I got internet but the hubby needed cable or something. We also inherited my MIL's flat tv. We have an old one that we don't have a box for so it's basically useless except for DVD or VHRs. And the hubby got tired of those. So I put him online with his tv and he is happy now.  

I have a cell phone because the kid pays for it. She thinks I need one. The Obama phone came because I am on Medicaid. Otherwise, I wouldn't have one. I am not going to pay for my own bug. I know ya've heard me bitching about that. It's one of my pet peeves. Not going to do that.

I am so sorry to hear about this. Have you tried to move to that area where wifi is forbidden? https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechcons...are-banned

I thought about it when I read up on that disorder. When they put smart meters on my pole, I was very upset but was told that they didn't have any of the other meters and they were replacing ALL the meters with these. I could either use it or go without. But then my electric bill kept getting higher and higher and when I  called them on it, for some reason, my next month's bill was cheap. I thought they were ripping me off. I can read those meters too. I had to read my old meter monthly and call it in to the electric company and every so often they would send someone out to check it to keep ya honest.  Wink

Out here where I am at, the tower is down I hear. As it's been down a long time, I would think it was taken offline. AT&T tower. I do not pick up any other wifi signal, even outside my house. My neighbors are too far away.  

What you need to get is one of those dinky faraday cage wallets that they use for credit cards and such. Put your phone in it when it's near you. Otherwise, put it in a tree or bush where you are working so it will pick up a signal and alert you. Leave a nice message but you will get a number anyway to call back so don't worry about missed calls. And get an answering service for your work. They can relay stuff to you every so often at a certain time so you can catch up. It's a hassle without a cell because there is no public payphones on the corners anymore.

There are places in the mountains and hills that do not get any cell signals. Dead zones. They are not marked on maps either. There are some in the N. Carolina mountains and hills. Lots and lots of them too.  Yeah3

I have an option of wire or wifi but I don't want to pay for any tv programing. And if I cut off the old man, he is gonna want some tv programing. He does not do any computers. It's surprising we met online really. He hasn't touched a computer since I met him. I'm the computer/internet junkie.  1dunno1  He does like his little old cracked up Iphone the kids gave him to play with. He got himself a FB account to keep up with the kids but it's all he uses and it's dinky. He doesn't get online much at all. Whims.  Eyeroll

We are not much into tech. I have old fashioned games that do not use batteries and stuff. No fancy cook stuff. No fancy stuff really. But that's by choice. I don't like buying batteries and I have to buy them for my mouse and tv remote. If it uses a battery, it doesn't get used because I don't seem to buy batteries much. I also do not like things that just drain electricity. Your toaster, any 'smart' gadget, clocks, all that crap that keeps on little lights and stuff. Costs me money. I have a broiler if I want toast. Just gotta turn it.  Wink

I don't think many of the people around me are into it. I have one neighbor that has wifi but I don't pick hers up. Too far away. Old folks around me don't have any of the newer tech stuff. They still do things like they always did. They are dying off these days. The towers and such around me can be silenced in the right locations and you won't get a signal. You advertise on the local radio station and by paper fliers or something. The local business guys all will put up your cards and fliers as they expect you to do if you have a shop. Not much landscaping in the country though. Lots of farm work though. Some of them will even give you a place to stay and all. I don't know any of them but I've talked to a guy that worked and got a place and a truck too as long as he worked there. My BIL works for a cow farmer. He only works around 6 hours or so a day. I guess he makes around 200-300 a week in pay. It pays his bills.

That has to suck because you are restricted to where you can go. Wow.... It's only going to get worse with 5G. You need to find a place now to go hide in. Look around the mountains and hills. The mountains act as barriers although they try to put them on top of them, they still don't reach down into the hollows sometimes. You can hide in them there hills and get stuff delivered to you. Don't go too far out or internet will never reach ya unless it satellite and that sucks, it's throttled and cost a whole lot of money. So find a spot in them hollows, behind some dirt or something. Ask the realtor or landlords about it. Tell them you don't want reception and see what they say.

Even cars are wired. The hubby connected his cell phone to the car. When you are in the car, the car rings. New car.  My old one broke down. They are all connected. Satellite and all.  Eyeroll

There are several technical options but they are too expensive.

I have a faraday cage to sleep in.

The house does have metal siding, and if I add a metal roof and window treatments that would work for inside the home. I've been avoiding that because I don't want to spend money on an investment that doesn't add some new functionality.

At present the only options I have for utilities are wood heat, propane, and solar power.

The natural gas company and electric company refuse to provide analog meters.

And the solar power which I have now is also dirty electricity because of the inverter.

A true powerline conditioner runs in the thousands of dollars.

The easy way to go, is put in a steel building on one of my vacant lots. That's what me and my dad were going to do as an emergency measure before the smart meters killed him.

We didn't get around to it.

I can still do that, but the yard is polluted by the towers, and my dogs already have cancer.

So I need to find a rural property, build there, and move there, but it's tricky.

I have low equity on my mortgage, no credit to obtain another one. So I have to sell and buy at the same time and buy with cash.

Then there's no guarantee another tower or 5G won't be shoved down my throat at the new location on an adjacent property again.
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(11-02-2018, 03:11 PM)Luvapottamus Wrote: There are several technical options but they are too expensive.

I have a faraday cage to sleep in.

The house does have metal siding, and if I add a metal roof and window treatments that would work for inside the home. I've been avoiding that because I don't want to spend money on an investment that doesn't add some new functionality.

At present the only options I have for utilities are wood heat, propane, and solar power.

The natural gas company and electric company refuse to provide analog meters.

And the solar power which I have now is also dirty electricity because of the inverter.

A true powerline conditioner runs in the thousands of dollars.

The easy way to go, is put in a steel building on one of my vacant lots. That's what me and my dad were going to do as an emergency measure before the smart meters killed him.

We didn't get around to it.

I can still do that, but the yard is polluted by the towers, and my dogs already have cancer.

So I need to find a rural property, build there, and move there, but it's tricky.

I have low equity on my mortgage, no credit to obtain another one. So I have to sell and buy at the same time and buy with cash.

Then there's no guarantee another tower or 5G won't be shoved down my throat at the new location on an adjacent property again.

I know what ya mean about that. They put up a bunch of towers around me but I don't see any of them and it was suppose to blanket the entire area but they failed. I guess the tower was too expensive to maintain or something because they shut them down.

The problem that I see is that like PTSD was for a long time and I think Morgellon's still is, it's not a 'recognized' disorder. It took them a long time to recognize Lyme disease too. Until they recognize this, they are not going to set aside any areas for it.

I don't even know where you could go as the wifi is everywhere. I can not be around those tall electric towers at all. They make my body feel sickly and I can 'feel' the electricity in the air. But I don't swell up or anything. Dang.... That has to suck badly. Even McDonald's has wifi in it.

I don't know if you would want to do it but if you had some type of camper or even a huge tent you could live in, you could apply to sit at one of the campgrounds in the National or State forests. They are usually so far out they don't get much and I don't think they have that many meters that you would have to cover up. Some of those places are so far out that they do not get any electric run to them.

I've forgotten now how to get those jobs but you apply for them, probably at one of the websites of the feds or states. Some of them will only give you the spot to stay at and you have to have some other means of money coming in to feed yourself. Some of them pay you for staying there. Most of them are campground keepers so you take money, sell firewood that is usually chopped and sold by the people and not the campgrounds so that's all profit money for the ones running the camp. Met a guy that did that. He made good money cutting up wood and selling it. He said he had to hang out and walk around anyway. So he would gather up wood to chop and sell it for his cash money. These jobs are only as long as the campground stays open though. But some of the campgrounds are free to camp at after they close down for the season too. A small camper would be best, especially for wintertime. But a huge tent will do too.

The only places I've found that I had no reception on a cell is in the mountains and hollows. People live on them and in hollows so you can get internet down in them but you more than likely will not get cell phone service.

Can you wrap the converter in foil or something? Maybe one of those little emergency, shining metal looking blankets? Those little things will shield you from heat seeking if you are hiding I hear. Don't know how true that is. I hate those little things. Feels so weird to me. Nothing like a nice soft blanket.

Dang.... antique shops for you. Me too. I can not work all these newer gadgets and I don't like the power drain on them.

You need to look into the mountains. Either side of the USA would work I would imagine. But I would find a place in the hollows to hide in. How do you get around with wifi everywhere? When I was in the city, I got tons of different wifi connections on my puter I couldn't connect to but I saw them all. Tons of them.

5G is coming. I am dreading that. Not sure what is going to happen with it but I can tell the difference in my sleeping patterns since I quit turning off my internet at night. The hubby is an insomniac. Worse than me so it's bad.

Have you tried for disability? I know it sucks because it's not a lot to live on but that small amount of money would allow you to hide somewhere. Away from all this. You need to live in a place that is not going to be able to get wifi without some major construction done. That would be the mountains. Flat land is easy to work on but mountains are not and they tend to leave them for last to develop.

I do not even think you could live on a houseboat on a lake. People still get cell reception on the lake here. I would look for the poorest rural counties I could. Those are the ones I would think did not have all the modern stuff or not as much anyway.

Sounds like you have electromagnetic-hypersensitivity. Research that if you haven't. You might find a doctor to help you. Not that there are many out there but there are a few if you can get to them.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/med...ensitivity

http://emfsafetynetwork.org/safety-preca...nsitivity/
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(11-02-2018, 06:39 PM)sybdragon Wrote:
(11-02-2018, 03:11 PM)Luvapottamus Wrote: There are several technical options but they are too expensive.

I have a faraday cage to sleep in.

The house does have metal siding, and if I add a metal roof and window treatments that would work for inside the home. I've been avoiding that because I don't want to spend money on an investment that doesn't add some new functionality.

At present the only options I have for utilities are wood heat, propane, and solar power.

The natural gas company and electric company refuse to provide analog meters.

And the solar power which I have now is also dirty electricity because of the inverter.

A true powerline conditioner runs in the thousands of dollars.

The easy way to go, is put in a steel building on one of my vacant lots. That's what me and my dad were going to do as an emergency measure before the smart meters killed him.

We didn't get around to it.

I can still do that, but the yard is polluted by the towers, and my dogs already have cancer.

So I need to find a rural property, build there, and move there, but it's tricky.

I have low equity on my mortgage, no credit to obtain another one. So I have to sell and buy at the same time and buy with cash.

Then there's no guarantee another tower or 5G won't be shoved down my throat at the new location on an adjacent property again.

I know what ya mean about that. They put up a bunch of towers around me but I don't see any of them and it was suppose to blanket the entire area but they failed. I guess the tower was too expensive to maintain or something because they shut them down.

The problem that I see is that like PTSD was for a long time and I think Morgellon's still is, it's not a 'recognized' disorder. It took them a long time to recognize Lyme disease too. Until they recognize this, they are not going to set aside any areas for it.

I don't even know where you could go as the wifi is everywhere. I can not be around those tall electric towers at all. They make my body feel sickly and I can 'feel' the electricity in the air. But I don't swell up or anything. Dang.... That has to suck badly. Even McDonald's has wifi in it.

I don't know if you would want to do it but if you had some type of camper or even a huge tent you could live in, you could apply to sit at one of the campgrounds in the National or State forests. They are usually so far out they don't get much and I don't think they have that many meters that you would have to cover up. Some of those places are so far out that they do not get any electric run to them.

I've forgotten now how to get those jobs but you apply for them, probably at one of the websites of the feds or states. Some of them will only give you the spot to stay at and you have to have some other means of money coming in to feed yourself. Some of them pay you for staying there. Most of them are campground keepers so you take money, sell firewood that is usually chopped and sold by the people and not the campgrounds so that's all profit money for the ones running the camp. Met a guy that did that. He made good money cutting up wood and selling it. He said he had to hang out and walk around anyway. So he would gather up wood to chop and sell it for his cash money. These jobs are only as long as the campground stays open though. But some of the campgrounds are free to camp at after they close down for the season too. A small camper would be best, especially for wintertime. But a huge tent will do too.

The only places I've found that I had no reception on a cell is in the mountains and hollows. People live on them and in hollows so you can get internet down in them but you more than likely will not get cell phone service.

Can you wrap the converter in foil or something? Maybe one of those little emergency, shining metal looking blankets? Those little things will shield you from heat seeking if you are hiding I hear. Don't know how true that is. I hate those little things. Feels so weird to me. Nothing like a nice soft blanket.

Dang.... antique shops for you. Me too. I can not work all these newer gadgets and I don't like the power drain on them.

You need to look into the mountains. Either side of the USA would work I would imagine. But I would find a place in the hollows to hide in. How do you get around with wifi everywhere? When I was in the city, I got tons of different wifi connections on my puter I couldn't connect to but I saw them all. Tons of them.

5G is coming. I am dreading that. Not sure what is going to happen with it but I can tell the difference in my sleeping patterns since I quit turning off my internet at night. The hubby is an insomniac. Worse than me so it's bad.

Have you tried for disability? I know it sucks because it's not a lot to live on but that small amount of money would allow you to hide somewhere. Away from all this. You need to live in a place that is not going to be able to get wifi without some major construction done. That would be the mountains. Flat land is easy to work on but mountains are not and they tend to leave them for last to develop.

I do not even think you could live on a houseboat on a lake. People still get cell reception on the lake here. I would look for the poorest rural counties I could. Those are the ones I would think did not have all the modern stuff or not as much anyway.

Sounds like you have electromagnetic-hypersensitivity. Research that if you haven't. You might find a doctor to help you. Not that there are many out there but there are a few if you can get to them.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/med...ensitivity

http://emfsafetynetwork.org/safety-preca...nsitivity/

Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity is recognized by the World Health Organization;
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine
The Americans With Disabilities Act
And Sweden

They have safe housing for people like me in Sweden.

I don't want to move to Sweden.

But in the USA it's recognized under the ADA as a functional impairment: when you microwave me it impairs my abilities.

And under the ADA I'm due REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.

For me, instead of a wheelchair ramp, I need analog utility meters.

Instead of a wheelchair ramp, I need a place to work without WIFI or other synthetic EMR exposures.

And I was going to file a lawsuit to get injunctive relief against the utilities who refuse me analog meters, but my attorney was killed by a smart meter. (My dad had a stroke and died from smart meters)

I was going to sue over that wrongful death, but all of the law firms in Tulsa told me they did not have the resources to sue utilities, in essence;

TOO BIG TO SUE

Is what they told me. I contacted large national product liability firms and they each told me :"We won't do smart meter cases."

Without hearing any facts of the case. Either they were paid off(put on retainer) or other people contacted them first with weak evidence.

I have strong evidence but they refused to hear it. Any of it. They didn't know why I wanted to sue.

Could be retainer abuse however. You can hire as many law firms as you want, and when you put one on retainer they can't represent anybody who wants to sue you.

So Statute of Limitations expired on the wrongful death/product liability suit. I know two other stroke victims for which SOL has not expired yet but they won't sue.

So I'm back to ADA accommodation. It's quite simple:

1)Smart meters injure me. I can prove that, just put me near one and turn it on:
2)I am entitled to equal access to public utilities....therefore an accommodation must be made.

Simple case really, but I contacted all the disability attorneys in town and most of them aren't trial attorneys. They are papermills, and the paralegals do al the work...to put you on disability PAYMENTS.

Which is not the area of disability law I'm interested in. I want to work for my own earnings. And absent synthetic EMR I'm a skilled talented worker.

The other disability attorneys sometimes are trial lawyers for personal injuries, but they told me they don't know how to do a disability case like this one.

It's a lot of information, and a sad state of affairs, but I'm mostly spelling it out here so other people in other cities can benefit from it.

Know anybody who had a stroke in the last few years?

Check when the smart meter was installed.

See a correlation?
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(11-07-2018, 12:42 PM)Luvapottamus Wrote: Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity is recognized by the World Health Organization;
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine
The Americans With Disabilities Act
And Sweden

They have safe housing for people like me in Sweden.

I don't want to move to Sweden.

But in the USA it's recognized under the ADA as a functional impairment: when you microwave me it impairs my abilities.

And under the ADA I'm due REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.

For me, instead of a wheelchair ramp, I need analog utility meters.

Instead of a wheelchair ramp, I need a place to work without WIFI or other synthetic EMR exposures.

And I was going to file a lawsuit to get injunctive relief against the utilities who refuse me analog meters, but my attorney was killed by a smart meter. (My dad had a stroke and died from smart meters)

I was going to sue over that wrongful death, but all of the law firms in Tulsa told me they did not have the resources to sue utilities, in essence;

TOO BIG TO SUE

Is what they told me. I contacted large national product liability firms and they each told me :"We won't do smart meter cases."

Without hearing any facts of the case. Either they were paid off(put on retainer) or other people contacted them first with weak evidence.

I have strong evidence but they refused to hear it. Any of it. They didn't know why I wanted to sue.

Could be retainer abuse however. You can hire as many law firms as you want, and when you put one on retainer they can't represent anybody who wants to sue you.

So Statute of Limitations expired on the wrongful death/product liability suit. I know two other stroke victims for which SOL has not expired yet but they won't sue.

So I'm back to ADA accommodation. It's quite simple:

1)Smart meters injure me. I can prove that, just put me near one and turn it on:
2)I am entitled to equal access to public utilities....therefore an accommodation must be made.

Simple case really, but I contacted all the disability attorneys in town and most of them aren't trial attorneys. They are papermills, and the paralegals do al the work...to put you on disability PAYMENTS.

Which is not the area of disability law I'm interested in. I want to work for my own earnings. And absent synthetic EMR I'm a skilled talented worker.

The other disability attorneys sometimes are trial lawyers for personal injuries, but they told me they don't know how to do a disability case like this one.

It's a lot of information, and a sad state of affairs, but I'm mostly spelling it out here so other people in other cities can benefit from it.

Know anybody who had a stroke in the last few years?

Check when the smart meter was installed.

See a correlation?

Yep, the utility companies are considered to big to sue. But they have a slush fund like everyone else. You have to go outside of their area to get a lawyer they don't pay off probably. That really sucks. The system is failing you completely. You could bring the lawsuit yourself and act as your own lawyer. Civil law is not something I've looked into much, probably because it doesn't include jail time.  Chuckle  But like you, I am having to act as my own lawyer in a lawsuit because I am getting sued and I don't have the money for a lawyer. I am sure that lawyer laughed when he got my answer to his lawsuit on notebook paper. I wrote it out in ink and printed so there would be no question about anything. I also wrote it out in the courthouse the very last day I could respond to it too. I am hoping to just delay the crap out of it as long as I can and then I will deal with it I guess. I don't know where to go from here. I was sent a stack of paper to look through that I asked for. sighing.... the law is so complicated. I am going to lose this case if it goes to court. I suck.  Facepalm

It sounds like you have a case. You just have to figure out how to take it to court. And it costs money. Everything costs money.  Eyeroll Copies, all the copies and I don't have a printer so it's to the library for $0.20 a page. Arrrrrrggghhhh!!!!!

You are in a tough spot. I can not even think of a place that doesn't have wifi all over it in any city. And you would look really strange walking around covered in tin foil or metal armor. Wonder if you could use chain mail to stop it? Real light, aluminum chain mail? They sell that stuff, it's a little pricey to me but I'm not into that dressing up stuff like that. Amazon actually sells it.  Chuckle At least with it, you might be able to protect your organs and brain some? It has holes in it unfortunately but it might be enough?

Dang... For once, I am stumped. There is nothing.... Just nothing....

As there are so many people that are sensitive, maybe you can get together with some of them and see if you can get some place declared a dead zone? It might have to be somewhere that not to many want to live or it's hard to get the signal over dirt (mountains) or something. Crap, a deserted island?

You might have to go for disability because that's just the way it is. It's not fair. But sometimes, life sucks. Disability sucks too. It's not any money unless you own your own place and don't pay rent. Heating is expensive where I live but A/C is not. A/C is expensive in Texas but heating is not, or at least when I lived there that's how my electric bill went. And you won't have any extra to save up if you are on disability. Not unless you have a few friends on disability too and y'all live together and share the bills.

I am going to apply for disability. Sometimes this year I guess. I really need to because I thought I could do a job but in the last year, I have figured out that I can not do the jobs I used to do. I never had a sit down job and I do not know how to work a computer. I internet. It's not the same.  Chuckle But if and when I get it, it will not pay all my bills if something happens to the hubby. I will have to have a roommate. I have a cousin on disability that I could move in with but her bills are outrageous in Florida and that wouldn't leave me any money. Where I live now, I can afford it if I had a roommate to split the bills with me. But he ain't dead yet and I ain't counting no chickens here. Just saying as when the hubby was diagnosed with cancer.... anyway, I've given it some thought. Sucks too.

You work outside. You need to farm. Find a place that is way out and farm something. Maybe set up a non-profit and get a grant from the .gov and see if you can get some land somewhere to farm and build up a small farming town where wifi is forbidden. You would have to get enough people interested in it to make it worth while but if you find a place and can sell it to the people as a 'quiet zone'. Might take a few years but if enough people get together it can be done. Maybe if you go see a small town mayor that is also having some problems or knows about this problem?

I know it's hard as crap to sue .gov but why don't you sue the city or county you live in? Force them to have a 'quiet zone' in part of the town? I don't know. What you need is money and lots of it. Exposure will do as well as it will maybe bring in some money but what network is going to take this on? I don't see any of them doing that unless you have some kids or others that are pitiful looking.

You are in a hard spot. Dang. I have a hollow by me that nothing seems to get down into. No cell phone signal down there but it's a small creek in the rain and it stays wet anyway. You could find dry spots but not that many. And it's A/C'ed. Warmer in the winter and colder in the summer. Nice place to hang really. Just a little moist. You really need to move to the mountains somewhere. There are spots in the mountains that can not get signals but still have houses and you can get internet because they run electric and stuff out there. But you need to find a hole in the mountains. Mountain land is cheap in some areas. Can not do much with it but it's cheap. If you look around, you might could get a cave to live in. Caves are all over Kentucky. Or you could just build into the side of the mountain.

If you are like me, you are broke and life just sucks that way. Stuck.

I do know someone that had a stroke. My neighbor. She has so many problems you can not say what causes what with her. She is sickly with everything and she's not a hypochondriac either. She is sickly.

Dang Luv.... I feel for ya I really do. Not sure what you are going through because I've never had your problems but they sound horrible, just HORRIBLE!!! Your problem is not unsolvable but you are in a tiny minority that is going to be overlooked and so in the USA, you need money to fix it. And all that would do is if you could buy a entire county and make it almost old fashioned. Just thought of it, would an old ghost town amusement park that is not wired be a great tourist attraction in the old west desert area? But that again, costs more money than you or I would have. Oh to be a millionaire huh? Maybe if you can think of something that makes money, even just having a 'silent, quiet zone' holiday resort that just has a few restaurants, maybe a playhouse or theater, pool hall/arcade, and hotels that have wifi connections but you have to be on a wire and not over the air. No cell phones and maybe a minny golf course. But this is all dreams that would take some major doing. Maybe you can work on getting a place like Sweden has here in the USA? Or where you live? Small town would be better to work with ya on it.

I can not get around those huge electric lines. They hum and make all the hair on my body stand up and I don't like it. Makes me queasy. But I don't swell up with it. And I don't stay around those things either. Dang Luv. Sorry to hear this.... Dang... I'm lost for words really, even if it doesn't seem like it. I really am. Dang. Just dang.  Scream1

v c these two letters are from my cat. lol this is the edit, just letting ya know they don't mean anything, it was the cat's contribution to my post lol
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(11-07-2018, 08:57 PM)sybdragon Wrote:
(11-07-2018, 12:42 PM)Luvapottamus Wrote: Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity is recognized by the World Health Organization;
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine
The Americans With Disabilities Act
And Sweden

They have safe housing for people like me in Sweden.

I don't want to move to Sweden.

But in the USA it's recognized under the ADA as a functional impairment: when you microwave me it impairs my abilities.

And under the ADA I'm due REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.

For me, instead of a wheelchair ramp, I need analog utility meters.

Instead of a wheelchair ramp, I need a place to work without WIFI or other synthetic EMR exposures.

And I was going to file a lawsuit to get injunctive relief against the utilities who refuse me analog meters, but my attorney was killed by a smart meter. (My dad had a stroke and died from smart meters)

I was going to sue over that wrongful death, but all of the law firms in Tulsa told me they did not have the resources to sue utilities, in essence;

TOO BIG TO SUE

Is what they told me. I contacted large national product liability firms and they each told me :"We won't do smart meter cases."

Without hearing any facts of the case. Either they were paid off(put on retainer) or other people contacted them first with weak evidence.

I have strong evidence but they refused to hear it. Any of it. They didn't know why I wanted to sue.

Could be retainer abuse however. You can hire as many law firms as you want, and when you put one on retainer they can't represent anybody who wants to sue you.

So Statute of Limitations expired on the wrongful death/product liability suit. I know two other stroke victims for which SOL has not expired yet but they won't sue.

So I'm back to ADA accommodation. It's quite simple:

1)Smart meters injure me. I can prove that, just put me near one and turn it on:
2)I am entitled to equal access to public utilities....therefore an accommodation must be made.

Simple case really, but I contacted all the disability attorneys in town and most of them aren't trial attorneys. They are papermills, and the paralegals do al the work...to put you on disability PAYMENTS.

Which is not the area of disability law I'm interested in. I want to work for my own earnings. And absent synthetic EMR I'm a skilled talented worker.

The other disability attorneys sometimes are trial lawyers for personal injuries, but they told me they don't know how to do a disability case like this one.

It's a lot of information, and a sad state of affairs, but I'm mostly spelling it out here so other people in other cities can benefit from it.

Know anybody who had a stroke in the last few years?

Check when the smart meter was installed.

See a correlation?

Yep, the utility companies are considered to big to sue. But they have a slush fund like everyone else. You have to go outside of their area to get a lawyer they don't pay off probably. That really sucks. The system is failing you completely. You could bring the lawsuit yourself and act as your own lawyer. Civil law is not something I've looked into much, probably because it doesn't include jail time.  Chuckle  But like you, I am having to act as my own lawyer in a lawsuit because I am getting sued and I don't have the money for a lawyer. I am sure that lawyer laughed when he got my answer to his lawsuit on notebook paper. I wrote it out in ink and printed so there would be no question about anything. I also wrote it out in the courthouse the very last day I could respond to it too. I am hoping to just delay the crap out of it as long as I can and then I will deal with it I guess. I don't know where to go from here. I was sent a stack of paper to look through that I asked for. sighing.... the law is so complicated. I am going to lose this case if it goes to court. I suck.  Facepalm

It sounds like you have a case. You just have to figure out how to take it to court. And it costs money. Everything costs money.  Eyeroll Copies, all the copies and I don't have a printer so it's to the library for $0.20 a page. Arrrrrrggghhhh!!!!!

You are in a tough spot. I can not even think of a place that doesn't have wifi all over it in any city. And you would look really strange walking around covered in tin foil or metal armor. Wonder if you could use chain mail to stop it? Real light, aluminum chain mail? They sell that stuff, it's a little pricey to me but I'm not into that dressing up stuff like that. Amazon actually sells it.  Chuckle At least with it, you might be able to protect your organs and brain some? It has holes in it unfortunately but it might be enough?

Dang... For once, I am stumped. There is nothing.... Just nothing....

As there are so many people that are sensitive, maybe you can get together with some of them and see if you can get some place declared a dead zone? It might have to be somewhere that not to many want to live or it's hard to get the signal over dirt (mountains) or something. Crap, a deserted island?

You might have to go for disability because that's just the way it is. It's not fair. But sometimes, life sucks. Disability sucks too. It's not any money unless you own your own place and don't pay rent. Heating is expensive where I live but A/C is not. A/C is expensive in Texas but heating is not, or at least when I lived there that's how my electric bill went. And you won't have any extra to save up if you are on disability. Not unless you have a few friends on disability too and y'all live together and share the bills.

I am going to apply for disability. Sometimes this year I guess. I really need to because I thought I could do a job but in the last year, I have figured out that I can not do the jobs I used to do. I never had a sit down job and I do not know how to work a computer. I internet. It's not the same.  Chuckle But if and when I get it, it will not pay all my bills if something happens to the hubby. I will have to have a roommate. I have a cousin on disability that I could move in with but her bills are outrageous in Florida and that wouldn't leave me any money. Where I live now, I can afford it if I had a roommate to split the bills with me. But he ain't dead yet and I ain't counting no chickens here. Just saying as when the hubby was diagnosed with cancer.... anyway, I've given it some thought. Sucks too.

You work outside. You need to farm. Find a place that is way out and farm something. Maybe set up a non-profit and get a grant from the .gov and see if you can get some land somewhere to farm and build up a small farming town where wifi is forbidden. You would have to get enough people interested in it to make it worth while but if you find a place and can sell it to the people as a 'quiet zone'. Might take a few years but if enough people get together it can be done. Maybe if you go see a small town mayor that is also having some problems or knows about this problem?

I know it's hard as crap to sue .gov but why don't you sue the city or county you live in? Force them to have a 'quiet zone' in part of the town? I don't know. What you need is money and lots of it. Exposure will do as well as it will maybe bring in some money but what network is going to take this on? I don't see any of them doing that unless you have some kids or others that are pitiful looking.

You are in a hard spot. Dang. I have a hollow by me that nothing seems to get down into. No cell phone signal down there but it's a small creek in the rain and it stays wet anyway. You could find dry spots but not that many. And it's A/C'ed. Warmer in the winter and colder in the summer. Nice place to hang really. Just a little moist. You really need to move to the mountains somewhere. There are spots in the mountains that can not get signals but still have houses and you can get internet because they run electric and stuff out there. But you need to find a hole in the mountains. Mountain land is cheap in some areas. Can not do much with it but it's cheap. If you look around, you might could get a cave to live in. Caves are all over Kentucky. Or you could just build into the side of the mountain.

If you are like me, you are broke and life just sucks that way. Stuck.

I do know someone that had a stroke. My neighbor. She has so many problems you can not say what causes what with her. She is sickly with everything and she's not a hypochondriac either. She is sickly.

Dang Luv.... I feel for ya I really do. Not sure what you are going through because I've never had your problems but they sound horrible, just HORRIBLE!!! Your problem is not unsolvable but you are in a tiny minority that is going to be overlooked and so in the USA, you need money to fix it. And all that would do is if you could buy a entire county and make it almost old fashioned. Just thought of it, would an old ghost town amusement park that is not wired be a great tourist attraction in the old west desert area? But that again, costs more money than you or I would have. Oh to be a millionaire huh? Maybe if you can think of something that makes money, even just having a 'silent, quiet zone' holiday resort that just has a few restaurants, maybe a playhouse or theater, pool hall/arcade, and hotels that have wifi connections but you have to be on a wire and not over the air. No cell phones and maybe a minny golf course. But this is all dreams that would take some major doing. Maybe you can work on getting a place like Sweden has here in the USA? Or where you live? Small town would be better to work with ya on it.

I can not get around those huge electric lines. They hum and make all the hair on my body stand up and I don't like it. Makes me queasy. But I don't swell up with it. And I don't stay around those things either. Dang Luv. Sorry to hear this.... Dang... I'm lost for words really, even if it doesn't seem like it. I really am. Dang. Just dang.  Scream1

v c  these two letters are from my cat. lol this is the edit, just letting ya know they don't mean anything, it was the cat's contribution to my post lol

I could file a suit in small claims court for the ADA accommodation. There is already a precedent in California.

But that one was accomplished by a lawyer, and PG&E lawyers decided it was best not to fight it very hard, just let that one go....

If I file, they will likely kick it up to district court, and at that point I'd need a lawyer.

So I want one before I do that.

Regarding everything else, I'm SOL because SOL expired.

I had two years to file the product liability/wrongful death, and contacted dozens of attorneys, and five of them wanted it but couldn't afford it.

I also contacted Erin Brockovich, and Public Citizen.

No reply from Erin, PC replied:

"We don't do wrongful deaths," to which I replied, "what was that Corvair thing about then?"

And they never replied to that.

Very disappointing.

My dad was a retired attorney, and was in the process of getting reinstated in the bar to sue on my injuries when he was first injured then killed.

That could have worked if he had lived.

He was a good attorney.

It's not easy to find a good one, but they also have to have at least a high school understanding of physics and then the pool shrinks rapidly..

Just in order for me to explain the case and the evidence.

One attorney told me it was "too sciency."

As he shoved his smart watch in my face.
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(11-07-2018, 09:20 PM)Luvapottamus Wrote: I could file a suit in small claims court for the ADA accommodation. There is already a precedent in California.

But that one was accomplished by a lawyer, and PG&E lawyers decided it was best not to fight it very hard, just let that one go....

If I file, they will likely kick it up to district court, and at that point I'd need a lawyer.

So I want one before I do that.

Regarding everything else, I'm SOL because SOL expired.

I had two years to file the product liability/wrongful death, and contacted dozens of attorneys, and five of them wanted it but couldn't afford it.

I also contacted Erin Brockovich, and Public Citizen.

No reply from Erin, PC replied:

"We don't do wrongful deaths," to which I replied, "what was that Corvair thing about then?"

And they never replied to that.

Very disappointing.

My dad was a retired attorney, and was in the process of getting reinstated in the bar to sue on my injuries when he was first injured then killed.

That could have worked if he had lived.

He was a good attorney.

It's not easy to find a good one, but they also have to have at least a high school understanding of physics and then the pool shrinks rapidly..

Just in order for me to explain the case and the evidence.

One attorney told me it was "too sciency."

As he shoved his smart watch in my face.

Have you looked into that 'quiet zone' city, the link I put up? There are so many people that want to move there that you could probably find a decent lawyer there or that someone knows that can walk you through the process if nothing else? If enough people get together and form a group, maybe you could lobby Congress? Everyone else does it?

Instead of some 'famous' 'greenie' lawyer, they are really all quacks to me really, have you tried to talk to those groups that are set up, lobbying to stop the 5G rollout? They should have lawyers and you might could find one to take you on with them. Look into the lobbying groups and see who is closely related to what you want because their lawyers would not have to be educated and if they do, it would not take near as much time because they already have the lingo and stuff down.

Yes, most lawyers I've known are assholes really. I would think you almost have to be with all the crap you see in the courts. It's really amazing how stupid people are and most lawyers specialize anyway. They didn't take science classes either. You could get a medical lawyer. At least he would know how to read the charts and just need a little more science stuff maybe.

Might upset your neighbors and all if you sued and won and they had could not use wifi or their cell phones because there wasn't any tower to pick up their phones. You might become very unpopular real fast in your area.  Chuckle
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