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#11
(05-14-2019, 01:05 PM)Full Throttle Wrote:
(05-14-2019, 12:29 PM)Sami Wrote: FT, I would think everyone here agrees with you. Unfortunately, legally, President Trump has had his hands tied between dim politicians w/ the house, and liberal judges. Potus IS making headway with new federal judges, it's just taking time. And not a whole lot i can see him being able to do until he gets re-elected and we win the house BACK, along with keeping the senate. And try to get rid of lingering rinos!! The last part is up to us!!

Adding,
I also think ICE will sweep throughout the states IF we get the house back. Everything depends on this next election.

I wonder if the United States can survive until Inauguration day 2021.    ????

We will. Yeah3
Thomas Jefferson said: THE TREE OF LIBERTY MUST BE REFRESHED FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS AND TYRANTS. IT IS ITS NATURAL MANURE.




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(05-14-2019, 11:36 AM)Full Throttle Wrote: I wonder why this issue is not at the top of most people's radar?  A literal invasion is happening right before our very eyes on a minute to minute basis.

I mentioned in another thread that this would go from the thousands to the hundred of thousands, then an all out failure of the border and millions streaming through.

A few states are pretty much overwhelmed right now,  agents are contracting disease every day.

No end in sight, no plan, nothing seems to be happening to secure the situation.

I believe it is already too late, anything done now is only a band aid on a gaping wound.

So many distractions in our face to keep attention off the border crisis.

I have no clue what is really going on, just glad I suppose that I live away from any border states, wont matter soon though.

When hundreds of thousands stream through, diseased, and whatever else they have in mind, guess we all will have to just stop and recognize
how much of a problem it was/is all along, too late though.

Good luck in the near future people, were all gonna need some of that.

There may not look like there is an end but there is. And Mexico will not be happy with the results of it. The socialist AMLO will but not the people. And we will see the Mexicans rise up and expel these people. They don't want them. This is an invasion of their country that their .gov is allowing. The problem is, they thought they could send them along to the USA and Canada but that's not happening. Like China... If we stop trade with Mexico, it's going to hurt the USA. But it's not going to hurt the USA as much as Mexico or China is gonna hurt. They are more dependent than we are. Most of what we buy from China is junk. Most of what we buy from Mexico is stuff from the USA that moved down there so we could just start that up here again. Might cost us but it could be done.

No plan. Yes, there is a plan. And we have heard it too. First, during a crisis like this, it's considered ok to put up tent cities. And refugee camps are normally tent cities. It does not make sense to build permanent housing for them because they are not suppose to stay there the rest of their lives. They are suppose to move on. It can not be helped that some of these people live the rest of their lives in one but I don't know of any. Haven't looked either so there could be some but I'm ignorant of them. And the USA's plan is tents. Just like all the other refugee places around the world. Fenced in and locked up so they are "safe" from the dangerous outside. And because we don't want these diseases to get out into general populace. Back in the day, a sneeze and you were back on the boat you stepped off of and everyone else is quarantined.

So the military is going to put up some tent cities and they will be run by the military. Border patrol will do the asylum papers and arrest the illegals and the illegals can be transported by the military too. The military can do a whole lot of stuff. We had to get the 9th circuit court out of the way but it's going to move along faster now. Rumor has it, Trump changed his mind about 1000 active troops on the border and recalled that number. It's now 5000 active duty troops. Wink That's a lot of troops. They are standing guard at the incoming ports because they are backing up the border patrol with riot duties and such. They are also helping to put up fencing. After all, the military is funding a lot of this fencing. They are going to be overseeing their project. They always do.

The new plan is to NOT take any asylum claims at the USA port of entry anymore. The asylum claim must be made in their own country or Mexico. And they will await the decision in Mexico. Mexico has finally agreed to this. As far as the illegals. Trump has stated and they are going to start doing this because we are not taking asylum claims at the USA border anymore. So we are going to process these people and send them back to their own country.

Lindsey Graham has a new bill he wants passed. It sounds good. But I haven't read it yet. Waiting to read it before I make a judgement. https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic...61764.html

The 9th circuit court has been turned so they can not automatically go there and you can bet they are court shopping now. Chuckle

For just a minute I want to talk about Mexico and what they are doing because what they are doing is also changing and it's because of Trump saying he's going to close the border and because Mexico did not understand how overwhelmed it would get. Mexico is used to being a conduct to the USA. But this last year or so has been different. And it's because of Trump and his policies. And his dealings with Mexico.

Mexico was giving anyone documents to travel and work in Mexico. These at first were temporary and have been for years. 30 days to cross Mexico and get to the USA however way you can. Then the USA complained and Mexico stopped that. Right after Tijuana's entry was closed down for a day. And then they started giving out documents to live and work in Mexico. No questions asked and like the DACA people, a lot of illegals in Mexico saw their chance to be legal in Mexico and they took it and overwhelmed the system. But a whole lot of those were people that already were living in Mexico illegally and hadn't come up with the latest caravans. So Mexico decided to quit giving them out and returned to giving them safe passage papers. But the USA isn't having it. It's been a tug of war and as the USA seems determined to take a chance and lose money by closing down the borders, Mexican are not. Their .gov is but the ones on the ground are not. While the American side was strangely silent, the Mexican side was blowing up in protests.

Africans have been flooding into Mexico for a few years now. And they can not seem to or maybe they don't want to get to the USA... Because a year or so ago, there was a problem with the Africans wanting a school in their language instead of Spanish. The Mexicans were livid. Special school just because these people don't want to learn Spanish? They were not happy about that but I am sure their .gov caved. https://theintercept.com/2017/12/13/afri...ion-trump/

Along Mexico's southern border towns, people are scared. They close up shops and go home and lock their doors and windows when the caravans go through their areas. They say these people are not good people. They are thieves, beggars, rapists, druggies, drunks, violent, very violent, kidnappers... These are not good people coming through Mexico. And there are so many more nationalities than the three you are hearing on mainstream media. Mainstream media is twisting stuff as usual.

If you think what the USA border patrol is going through, Mexico is also doing that. They are having their facilities and building burnt down, escapes of people apprehended. Riots. Trash, so much trash and waste. They are also dealing with these diseases if the USA is dealing with them. And Mexico's medical system is not like ours. Mexico is trying but they are overwhelmed and they are also hampered by AMLO and his policies. The vid on this link shows you how this is big business and had been ongoing for years before this caravan. These caravans are just too much. They are going to destroy this system too. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/remain-in-m...mp-policy/

But things are changing. It would have been changed right now except for the traitors that took this crap to court and fought against Trump's legal policies. But as they say, the worm is turning now. This will end.
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@sybdragon Thank you for the detailed explanation, I needed to hear that. As always, you know how to Bring It!!!
 
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(05-14-2019, 03:07 PM)Full Throttle Wrote: @sybdragon   Thank you for the detailed explanation, I needed to hear that.  As always, you know how to Bring It!!!

Hugs Thank you. Sometimes I wonder if I sound preachy. Chuckle I don't mean to. But sometimes.. Chuckle
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(05-14-2019, 03:07 PM)Full Throttle Wrote: @sybdragon   Thank you for the detailed explanation, I needed to hear that.  As always, you know how to Bring It!!!

She did very good! Heartflowers

I also wonder if the troops in a larger number are also for other reasons too?? Like, we know the cartels are beyond antsy, they are furious with the US. I wonder if President Trump anticipates trouble with them? Just thinking out loud what is on my mind.
Thomas Jefferson said: THE TREE OF LIBERTY MUST BE REFRESHED FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS AND TYRANTS. IT IS ITS NATURAL MANURE.




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(05-14-2019, 03:29 PM)sybdragon Wrote:
(05-14-2019, 03:07 PM)Full Throttle Wrote: @sybdragon   Thank you for the detailed explanation, I needed to hear that.  As always, you know how to Bring It!!!

Hugs Thank you. Sometimes I wonder if I sound preachy.  Chuckle I don't mean to. But sometimes..  Chuckle

You never sound that way to me. Heartflowers

(05-14-2019, 03:38 PM)Sami Wrote:
(05-14-2019, 03:07 PM)Full Throttle Wrote: @sybdragon   Thank you for the detailed explanation, I needed to hear that.  As always, you know how to Bring It!!!

She did very good!  Heartflowers

I also wonder if the troops in a larger number are also for other reasons too?? Like, we know the cartels are beyond antsy, they are furious with the US. I wonder if President Trump anticipates trouble with them? Just thinking out loud what is on my mind.

Yes she did, I believe you may be spot on about the Cartels and some trouble brewing.
 
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(05-14-2019, 11:36 AM)Full Throttle Wrote: I wonder why this issue is not at the top of most people's radar?  A literal invasion is happening right before our very eyes on a minute to minute basis.

I mentioned in another thread that this would go from the thousands to the hundred of thousands, then an all out failure of the border and millions streaming through.

A few states are pretty much overwhelmed right now,  agents are contracting disease every day.

No end in sight, no plan, nothing seems to be happening to secure the situation.

I believe it is already too late, anything done now is only a band aid on a gaping wound.

So many distractions in our face to keep attention off the border crisis.

I have no clue what is really going on, just glad I suppose that I live away from any border states, wont matter soon though.

When hundreds of thousands stream through, diseased, and whatever else they have in mind, guess we all will have to just stop and recognize
how much of a problem it was/is all along, too late though.

Good luck in the near future people, were all gonna need some of that.

Been saying it’s too late for two years. I was told to be patient. The border should have been closed on day two of Trumps presidency but no, he kept it open. I will always blame him for that.

11 million my Aunt Fanny!! There is likely over 100 million here. People have been asking why so many in their area. Because they breed like rabbits. They do NOT respect AMERICA or they would be here illegally. Period

It is an INVASION
Isaiah 5:20 (KJV)
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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@WhiteAngel No doubt in my mind about the invasion. Ongoing and happening Live as we type these things out.
 
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(05-14-2019, 03:49 PM)WhiteAngel Wrote:
(05-14-2019, 11:36 AM)Full Throttle Wrote: I wonder why this issue is not at the top of most people's radar?  A literal invasion is happening right before our very eyes on a minute to minute basis.

I mentioned in another thread that this would go from the thousands to the hundred of thousands, then an all out failure of the border and millions streaming through.

A few states are pretty much overwhelmed right now,  agents are contracting disease every day.

No end in sight, no plan, nothing seems to be happening to secure the situation.

I believe it is already too late, anything done now is only a band aid on a gaping wound.

So many distractions in our face to keep attention off the border crisis.

I have no clue what is really going on, just glad I suppose that I live away from any border states, wont matter soon though.

When hundreds of thousands stream through, diseased, and whatever else they have in mind, guess we all will have to just stop and recognize
how much of a problem it was/is all along, too late though.

Good luck in the near future people, were all gonna need some of that.

Been saying it’s too late for two years. I was told to be patient. The border should have been closed on day two of Trumps presidency but no, he kept it open. I will always blame him for that.

11 million my Aunt Fanny!!  There is likely over 100 million here. People have been asking why so many in their area. Because they breed like rabbits. They do NOT respect AMERICA or they would be here illegally. Period

It is an INVASION

Trump could have closed the border but there is actually a good reason he didn't. And it's the same reason he let Mueller run him and a lot of people through the ringer. People had to be shown things because there are some dangerous people out there. And they look so harmless too. To effectively rule a country, you must have a percentage that agrees or the .gov gets overthrown. I understand that only 10% of the populace actually overthrew England in the Revolutionary war. When 10% of a population make a lot of noise, things gets changed. There are way to many people thinking that illegals are not a problem. Especially now that we have sanctuary cities and illegals can act like legal citizens and go to the courts for relief, get driver's licenses. The IRS overlooks their felony crime and sends them money too. They have had it way to easy here. They even collect welfare and live on the legal taxpayer's dime.

As you will notice, there are a whole lot of people now talking about this crisis on the border. People have come to realize how bad the illegals are. And how much they are costing. When you see an article that states that illegals cost a billion a year or something... Who relates to that? No one. But if you are living in an area where you are seeing them and watching it turn into a place that you don't understand the language and you are in your own country. New culture, new foods, new language. Sucks. It's not like you moved. They came to you. Took over your place.

If Trump closes the border, it costs a lot of money on the USA side too. Trump is trying not to hurt anyone. What he has done is tighten the border entries. But closing the border would really be problematic and needs to be used as a very last, desperate thing. When we close the border, we admit we can not control our border. This is as much about appearances as anything. And really it's not the ports that are the problem. They are manned and so far haven't been breached. It's the places that have no walls or walls that can be climbed over. It's gates left open. It's bribes and payoffs. Cartels run the USA/Mexican border and no one has done anything about it. Obama armed them along with a bunch of other folks. They have money, the illegal arms biz is big money.

Our problem is the illegals and the laws of the land. Loopholes. Trump is telling us the truth. A lot of people think he is not and he is exaggerating but he's not. Trump is an old man. He's been around the world doing business. He loves the USA and always has. I'm not saying Trump is squeaky clean because I don't know the man to say. But Trump is aware of what has been happening for a long time, decades... And Trump is sharp as a tack. He remembers things and history. He also knows business and business/tax law or he hires someone that knows it. Trump knows if he gets business going, everything else will follow. Idle people get into trouble. Working people don't so much. They have more to lose.

And people that have stake in a place, tend to treat it better. After all, it was one of the principles of the original papers that only landowners, property owners have the vote. Not anyone else. No one else has a stake in the land. The landowners do. They want to protect it. As time went by, male citizens that were not land owners got the vote. At this stage in the game, I'm thinking that it would be good to go back to landowners having the vote and not renters or no one that doesn't have a stake. If you sign up for the draft and bring a draft card, you can vote. Signing up for that shows you are loyal/have some stake in this country. And I believe girls should have to sign up for it too. After all, equality and all that. Digressing, sorry.  Hiding3

This all started back with Nixon. A long time ago. Trump remembers it all, just like I do. So Trump knows there will be no amnesty. If there is, it will be very few. DACA was stopped and once these people's time runs out, it's over. And if Congress and the Senate doesn't do something pretty fast, there will be no DACA people left to give amnesty too. They will be just more illegals if they don't self-deport like a lot of them have done. https://qz.com/1223768/china-debt-trap-t...oad-plans/

Once we get some laws changed... And they will be changed. We are going to see a lot of people leaving. Either by force or by choice. Once the law changes, it will be harder to get a legal job, welfare, or anything that requires legal paperwork. And they will have the people to take care of a bunch of raids and all these new paperwork checks too. After all, the courts are backed up a few years and they have decided it last in, first to court. But those other people still have court dates. And if they don't show up, their documents are no good anymore. And they will get caught. Computers are a wonderful thing. Although not always. Double edged sword...

It's money. All these people come for money. And once the money is cut off, they will have to return to their country to survive. The churches, like the feds are overwhelmed by people. They are full. Just like the jails are full of illegals. So they are shipping them around the county to different areas to shelters and families if they have family here. But that's stopping within the next, less than 90 but more than 60 days now. Within 90 days, the border patrol must be able to house and jail every illegal border jumper and even children. They will not be allowed out in USA society until their case is heard. If they do not get asylum, they will be sent back to their country. Deported and they will not be able to apply for asylum or anything for so many years. The years vary so I guess it's up to the judge how many years you are banned from the USA.

Trump is also going to charge illegals and legal asylum seekers a fee for the paperwork the USA has to file on their case. Who knows how much it's going to be but there is now a cost to applying for asylum in the USA. Things are going to change very quickly in the next 90 days.
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(05-14-2019, 03:38 PM)Sami Wrote:
(05-14-2019, 03:07 PM)Full Throttle Wrote: @sybdragon   Thank you for the detailed explanation, I needed to hear that.  As always, you know how to Bring It!!!

She did very good!  Heartflowers

I also wonder if the troops in a larger number are also for other reasons too?? Like, we know the cartels are beyond antsy, they are furious with the US. I wonder if President Trump anticipates trouble with them? Just thinking out loud what is on my mind.

The troops are to man these tent cities. There are not enough border patrol so the troops are going to take over housekeeping, babysitting, diapers, laundry, cooking, guarding. They are going to be the tent city staff I would say.

The cartels are not really worried. They will always find a way across. This is an opportunity for them and it's been regular business until Trump. The cartels are taking advantage of this time. But I doubt if they are worried about anything. It's not going to be a "shooting" war. We don't want to go to war with Mexico. And where there is a market, someone will find a way to fill the need. The cartels will not cause any trouble. No more than usual IMO.

I doubt if the cartels are upset. They are making tons of money on this. They are a big part of the trafficking networks if not the entire network. When this all ends, they know the border will resume normal relations and they will be bribing, blackmailing, or something to someone to sneak their stuff in. Or they will go under the wall. They do that now. They will find the holes but the illegals will stop because they can not get any money in the USA. Not because of the cartels. The cartels are going to make money whether the illegals give it to them or not with their drug and other illegal trades.

Border patrol are human on both sides of the border. They can be bought sometimes. All that fancy equipment at the airports and stuff still gets through. Nothing is foul proof.
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