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(03-24-2020, 12:07 AM)Lily Wrote: They won’t pay the government back. That company has been in trouble for a long time.  
I am so tired of giant corporations getting help. Meanwhile the citizens of this country are have to help each other.

They will bring out the bogeymen: China and Russia military. And if that ain't enough, they will start a few wars. Anything to keep Boeing and the military price gouging over runs running smooth.
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(03-24-2020, 10:05 AM)St. Blue Dude Wrote:
(03-24-2020, 12:07 AM)Lily Wrote: They won’t pay the government back. That company has been in trouble for a long time.  
I am so tired of giant corporations getting help. Meanwhile the citizens of this country are have to help each other.

They will bring out the bogeymen:  China and Russia military.   And if that ain't enough, they will start a few wars.  Anything to keep Boeing and the military price gouging over runs running smooth.

The Federal bailouts going out are much bigger than the 2008 financial crisis. The Fed already had been providing 1 Trillion in liquidity for short-term trading swaps before the virus. Last week they upped it to 3.5 Trillion, then they simply went "Unlimited".
Now, in Congress, the Republican Bill in the Senate - which Trump wanted passed but failed 47-47, would have directly provided Trump complete oversight - without ANY accountability - not even a single statement as to where 500 Billion (the direct corporate handout portion of the 2.X Trillion bill) was to be spent - directly to private companies - for 6 months. He even said in his PC that HE would provide the only oversight as to how 1/2 Trillion direct feed to corporations would be divided. The Democrats stopped that - forcing the GOP and Trump to make some oversight and guarantee to keep employees on the job, and employed. Trump didn't want any of those guarantees, just to send the Billions to execs to spend as they wish. Additionally, his network, those who aren't ALREADY in his administration (there are a significant number) - are operating from the outside -but INSIDE - with Jared Kushner to bank billions from the virus response. People like Kushner's Chabad Orthodox network, his own family, and career criminal corporate raider Michael Milken - who Trump just pardoned a few weeks ago.
We're talking about Trillions being distributed. Maybe this was why they released the virus - and to enforce new draconian health and surveillance laws. I strongly suspect Trump's network will rig the 2020 election. How he has so many Americans such as my own family members and his "base" thinking this is acceptable is beyond my ability to comprehend. His response and current activities to the virus are - and were - all horrible. Nobody wants to bother remembering or gathering information to the contrary of their own beliefs concerning him. I find him and his handlers both detestable and terrifying at the same time.
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(03-24-2020, 01:31 PM)Treebeard Wrote: The Federal bailouts going out are much bigger than the 2008 financial crisis. The Fed already had been providing 1 Trillion in liquidity for short-term trading swaps before the virus. Last week they upped it to 3.5 Trillion, then they simply went "Unlimited".

The Bush TARP program was a huge success, all the money was paid back with interest in two years. And nobody ever mentions this... The ONLY TAXPAYER MONEY LOST was 15 Billion dollars[+ years of lost corporate tax revenue) because of the horrible economic concepts subscribed to by the Democrats who controlled the halfwit affirmative President.

Quote:Now, in Congress, the Republican Bill in the Senate .... without ANY accountability - not even a single statement as to where 500 Billion (the direct corporate handout portion of the 2.X Trillion bill) was to be spent - directly to private companies - for 6 months.

Again, this is a loan Program, like Bush did. Not a 'handout' like Obama did. The borrowed money needs to be paid back. So this is nothing like what happened with the Trillions in waste under Obama, where rotten Democrats like the Kennedys set up fake solar energy companies, ran them into the ground taking six figure incomes as the CEOs and then declared the company bankrupt.

Quote:He even said in his PC that HE would provide the only oversight as to how 1/2 Trillion direct feed to corporations would be divided. The Democrats stopped that - forcing the GOP and Trump to make some oversight and guarantee to keep employees on the job, and employed. Trump didn't want any of those guarantees, just to send the Billions to execs to spend as they wish.

Perhaps, because he, as a business man who ran a company, understands that the CEO of a company will use borrowed money more wisely than the way Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and all those evil scumbag democrats will force them to...no doubt with racial set-asides and diversity programs and every other crooked anti-business garbage those rotten assholeS can conceive of.


And anyone who is concerned that Trump is the one that is going to rig the election, after the last twenty years of Democrats stealing and trying to steal; using a fake ballot issue in 2000 in Florida and trying to throw out military votes; suppressing voter oversight in black districts where obvious collective voting was occurring in both Obama elections; voter harvesting programs in California to steal congressional seats; and actual thefts as in pulling boxes of votes out of the trunk of a car to steal the Al Franken Senate seat, is simply out of touch with reality.
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(03-24-2020, 03:26 PM)St. Blue Dude Wrote: Perhaps, because he, as a business man who ran a company, understands that the CEO of a company will use borrowed money more wisely than the way Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and all those evil scumbag democrats will force them to...no doubt with racial set-asides and diversity programs and every other crooked anti-business garbage those rotten assholeS can conceive of.

We'll have to wait and see the final terms. Remember - the Fed lowered rates to zero so there is no shortage of easy money, I don't see why it is necessary to begin a separate fund on the Government level. You shouldn't brag about Trump's money finesse, that is a joke. He bankrupted four companies and himself also in the early 90s. I'm not a Democrat but helping workers in the end to stay on the payrolls means they won't fall into dependency on existing Federal and State programs, either.
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Here is what those rotten thieving evil Democrats are really after in the 'coronavirus' bill....

While people are hurting....those evil fucks are trying to...

-nullify several executive orders and presidential memorandums that Democrats say have undermined the ability of public sector unions to engage in collective bargaining

-create a new carbon offset regime for airlines

-expand paid family leave requirements in a bill President Donald Trump signed last week (PL 116-127) to all employers, not just those with 500 or fewer workers (AKA....KILL SMALL BUSINESS) fucking fascists

-create a form of "universal basic income," by distributing $2,000 per month per adult and $1,000 per child to individuals earning less than $115,000 and joint filers making up to $230,000 in 2020 for the duration of the coronavirus-related downturn. (And then work on prolonging the shutdowns, no doubt)

-patch holes in the leaky multiemployer pension system, projected to be insolvent within five years. It would set up a Treasury lending program with generous terms, and little expectation of payback in some cases
[ What kind of dumbass is worried about Trump lending money to Businesses during a forced economic downturn due to a pandemic and ignores this standard STEAL AND HANDOUT TAX MONEY from the Democrats. ]

-a 15 percent increase in food stamp benefit levels (Trump has gotten 3 million people off food stamps, and these thieving fucks want to expand handouts to their base).

-push back by a year the looming deadline under the REAL ID Act for air travelers to obtain a special drivers' license in order to fly domestically. (KEEP IT SO YOU DON'T NEED AN ID TO VOTE - so they can steal some more congressoinal seats).

-$30 billion to help states pay for education expenses and another $9.5 billion for higher education. (Another HANDOUT FROM THE TAXPAYER TROUGH to a democrat base constituency)

-$20 billion to reimburse the U.S. Postal Service for lost revenue, along with forgiveness of USPS debt. (Payout to a big government UNION)
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(03-24-2020, 03:53 PM)Treebeard Wrote:
(03-24-2020, 03:26 PM)St. Blue Dude Wrote: Perhaps, because he, as a business man who ran a company, understands that the CEO of a company will use borrowed money more wisely than the way Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and all those evil scumbag democrats will force them to...no doubt with racial set-asides and diversity programs and every other crooked anti-business garbage those rotten assholeS can conceive of.

We'll have to wait and see the final terms. Remember - the Fed lowered rates to zero so there is no shortage of easy money, I don't see why it is necessary to begin a separate fund on the Government level. You shouldn't brag about Trump's money finesse, that is a joke. He bankrupted four companies and himself also in the early 90s. I'm not a Democrat but helping workers in the end to stay on the payrolls means they won't fall into dependency on existing Federal and State programs, either.

I don't believe any of this is necessary. It's an excuse to steal. period.

Trump is in a business Real Estate Development that is the riskiest business of all.

You find land and pay for it.
You find an architect and you pay for it.
You find a developer and you pay for it.
You build a giant building and you pay for it.
You hire and train a staff and you pay for it.

Then finally after you have laid out HUGE MASSIVE SUMS OF MONEY. you open up and hope you get revenue.

Building a giant Casino in Atlantic City and then years later having states open up legalized gambling all over the country, doesn't make you a bad business man when Atlantic City itself fails as a concept.

citing that shit shows you are shill drinking Democrat Koolaid and not thinking for yourself, regardless of what you label yourself as.
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(03-24-2020, 03:59 PM)St. Blue Dude Wrote: citing that shit shows you are shill drinking Democrat Koolaid and not thinking for yourself, regardless of what you label yourself as.

Donald Trump is and was and always will be nothing more than a spoiled brat from NYC who was born into an affluent family with affluent Jewish friends who nurtured his rise to the top of the real estate chain. He blew his money that he inherited and was bailed out in the early 90s by Rothschild banker Wilbur Ross - who is now his Commerce Secretary. His entire life is nothing but show and scam. I knew this long before 2016, I was not born yesterday. He did bankrupt four companies and himself. You aren't going to succeed in convincing me otherwise, and I think he's a jerk to boot. Ok ? I don't have to like the guy. Never did.
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(03-24-2020, 01:31 PM)Treebeard Wrote:
(03-24-2020, 10:05 AM)St. Blue Dude Wrote:
(03-24-2020, 12:07 AM)Lily Wrote: They won’t pay the government back. That company has been in trouble for a long time.  
I am so tired of giant corporations getting help. Meanwhile the citizens of this country are have to help each other.

They will bring out the bogeymen:  China and Russia military.   And if that ain't enough, they will start a few wars.  Anything to keep Boeing and the military price gouging over runs running smooth.

The Federal bailouts going out are much bigger than the 2008 financial crisis. The Fed already had been providing 1 Trillion in liquidity for short-term trading swaps before the virus. Last week they upped it to 3.5 Trillion, then they simply went "Unlimited".
Now, in Congress, the Republican Bill in the Senate - which Trump wanted passed but failed 47-47, would have directly provided Trump complete oversight - without ANY accountability - not even a single statement as to where 500 Billion (the direct corporate handout portion of the 2.X Trillion bill) was to be spent - directly to private companies - for 6 months. He even said in his PC that HE would provide the only oversight as to how 1/2 Trillion direct feed to corporations would be divided. The Democrats stopped that - forcing the GOP and Trump to make some oversight and guarantee to keep employees on the job, and employed. Trump didn't want any of those guarantees, just to send the Billions to execs to spend as they wish. Additionally, his network, those who aren't ALREADY in his administration (there are a significant number) - are operating from the outside -but INSIDE - with Jared Kushner to bank billions from the virus response. People like Kushner's Chabad Orthodox network, his own family, and career criminal corporate raider Michael Milken - who Trump just pardoned a few weeks ago.
We're talking about Trillions being distributed. Maybe this was why they released the virus - and to enforce new draconian health and surveillance laws. I strongly suspect Trump's network will rig the 2020 election. How he has so many Americans such as my own family members and his "base" thinking this is acceptable is beyond my ability to comprehend. His response and current activities to the virus are - and were - all horrible. Nobody wants to bother remembering or gathering information to the contrary of their own beliefs concerning him. I find him and his handlers both detestable and terrifying at the same time.

Very good post, Mr. Treebeard.
You have described exactly what Grey Champions do in 4th Turnings.
And the bulk of the public let them get away with it!!!!!!
History proves it again and again.

Don't believe me?
Then check out this latest article on the same subject.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/...es-happen/

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(03-24-2020, 04:04 PM)Treebeard Wrote:
(03-24-2020, 03:59 PM)St. Blue Dude Wrote: citing that shit shows you are shill drinking Democrat Koolaid and not thinking for yourself, regardless of what you label yourself as.

Donald Trump is and was and always will be nothing more than a spoiled brat from NYC who was born into an affluent family with affluent Jewish friends who nurtured his rise to the top of the real estate chain. He blew his money that he inherited and was bailed out in the early 90s by Rothschild banker Wilbur Ross - who is now his Commerce Secretary. His entire life is nothing but show and scam. I knew this long before 2016, I was not born yesterday. He did bankrupt four companies and himself. You aren't going to succeed in convincing me otherwise, and I think he's a jerk to boot. Ok ? I don't have to like the guy. Never did.

Chuckle

As much as I like that NYC street brawler, you may have some good points there. At least to examine.
As of late, I have been checking to see if he got a chunk of his money via The Deutsche Bank. If so,
that is whoring with a real bad crowd. If so, it might explain other mysteries.

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