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9 Americans killed including 8 month old babies in Drug Cartel ambush in Mexico.
#41
(11-07-2019, 12:11 PM)Fritzy Ritz Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 10:48 AM)Verity Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 10:26 AM)Fritzy Ritz Wrote: And they are linked to NXIVM, according to recent reports.

I saw that, very strange indeed. How on earth did Raniere even
know of this outposted sect? Or perhaps the group solicited him?
So odd. I was shocked to learn (when the murders took place)
that these communities even existed in Mexico.

NXIVM has very deep ties in Mexico. Emiliano Salinas, son of the former President of Mexico -- Carlos Salinas, is a member of NXIVM in the highest ranks. It's been reported that when Raniere was arrested, Emiiano was going to be arrested soon thereafter, but that the Clintons intervened. Soon thereafter, Salinas reportedly fled to Cuba, then to the UK, then to Brazil. Haven't read any recent reports of his whereabouts.

Wow, that is all quite eye-opening. How the gruesome
twosome continue to stalk this earth is amazing.
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(11-07-2019, 01:20 PM)hurchel Wrote: I was searching for Mormon Mafia in Mexico....

Found Romney....

Anon


Three dozen of Mitt Romney’s relatives live here in a narrow river valley at the foot of the western Sierra Madre mountains, surrounded by peach groves, apple orchards and some of the baddest, most fearsome drug gangsters and kidnappers in all of northern Mexico.

Like Mitt, the Mexican Romneys are descendants of Miles Park Romney, who came to the Chihuahua desert in 1885 seeking refuge from U.S. anti-polygamy laws. He had four wives and 30 children, and on the rocky banks of the Piedras Verdes River, he and his fellow Mormon pioneers carved out a prosperous settlement beyond the reach of U.S. federal marshals. He was Mitt’s great-grandfather.

Gaskell Romney, Mitt’s grandfather, settled in Mexico as well, and Mitt’s father, George Romney, was born in nearby Colonia Dublan — raising the possibility of a 2012 presidential race between two contenders whose fathers were born outside the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

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Great find, @hurchel. Curiouser and curiouser.
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(11-07-2019, 11:21 PM)Verity Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 01:20 PM)hurchel Wrote: I was searching for Mormon Mafia in Mexico....

Found Romney....

Anon


Three dozen of Mitt Romney’s relatives live here in a narrow river valley at the foot of the western Sierra Madre mountains, surrounded by peach groves, apple orchards and some of the baddest, most fearsome drug gangsters and kidnappers in all of northern Mexico.

Like Mitt, the Mexican Romneys are descendants of Miles Park Romney, who came to the Chihuahua desert in 1885 seeking refuge from U.S. anti-polygamy laws. He had four wives and 30 children, and on the rocky banks of the Piedras Verdes River, he and his fellow Mormon pioneers carved out a prosperous settlement beyond the reach of U.S. federal marshals. He was Mitt’s great-grandfather.

Gaskell Romney, Mitt’s grandfather, settled in Mexico as well, and Mitt’s father, George Romney, was born in nearby Colonia Dublan — raising the possibility of a 2012 presidential race between two contenders whose fathers were born outside the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

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Great find, @hurchel. Curiouser and curiouser.

Hello,
I am new here and thought I would add a link that may pertain to this mormon group.
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/search?q=Flds
This link comes from a hollywood gossip site and pertains to mormons trafficking girls.
Not sure if it is alluding to nxim (sp)
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(11-09-2019, 02:12 PM)hkbkg Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 11:21 PM)Verity Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 01:20 PM)hurchel Wrote: I was searching for Mormon Mafia in Mexico....

Found Romney....

Anon


Three dozen of Mitt Romney’s relatives live here in a narrow river valley at the foot of the western Sierra Madre mountains, surrounded by peach groves, apple orchards and some of the baddest, most fearsome drug gangsters and kidnappers in all of northern Mexico.

Like Mitt, the Mexican Romneys are descendants of Miles Park Romney, who came to the Chihuahua desert in 1885 seeking refuge from U.S. anti-polygamy laws. He had four wives and 30 children, and on the rocky banks of the Piedras Verdes River, he and his fellow Mormon pioneers carved out a prosperous settlement beyond the reach of U.S. federal marshals. He was Mitt’s great-grandfather.

Gaskell Romney, Mitt’s grandfather, settled in Mexico as well, and Mitt’s father, George Romney, was born in nearby Colonia Dublan — raising the possibility of a 2012 presidential race between two contenders whose fathers were born outside the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

Edited for...
Wanker

Great find, @hurchel. Curiouser and curiouser.

Hello,
I am new here and thought I would add a link that may pertain to this mormon group.
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/search?q=Flds
This link comes from a hollywood gossip site and pertains to mormons trafficking girls.
Not sure if it is alluding to nxim (sp)

Welcome, @hkbkg and thanks for sharing that. Heartflowers

I have come across discussion of the LDS' involvement in human trafficking.

A scary read for sure. Not sure if the FLDS truly has compounds throughout
the U.S. as was claimed. I understood they have a relatively small (though
insidious) presence in only a couple of the southwestern states.

I'd more readily believe the Mormon Church (which of course is also a cult)
is involved in trafficking, though there certainly may be some crossover
in this area with FLDS.
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#45
(11-05-2019, 01:55 PM)BadBrad Wrote:
(11-05-2019, 12:37 PM)Treebeard Wrote: Iranian Republican Guard - Trump officially labels as terrorist group. Americans killed:0

Mexican Drug Cartels - Trump does not officially label as terrorist group. Americans killed.

Time to label the Mexican Drug Cartels as terrorist groups and send in the US military.
No permission required.

OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!

See post #2 of this same thread.

While the Iranians are labeled terrorists by the CURRENT Administration, there
is nothing more than lip service going on so far.

The same POTUS, while still a candidate in 2016 couldn't say shit about anything
concerning the invaders from the South without the Legacy Media having a cow and
going crazy- calling him a racist. The Donald did everything he could to inform the
public military age males were streaming across the border in huge numbers. He did
everything except paint pictures and use finger puppets.
Instead our President was laughed and scorned because he said he thought his
offices and telephones were being tapped. Turns out he was correct.

Any more cheap shots today?
@Pure Rock Fury
11/27:Trump Says He Will Designate Mexican Cartels as Terrorists
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/11/26/trum...errorists/

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#46
(11-27-2019, 08:10 PM)Treebeard Wrote:
(11-05-2019, 01:55 PM)BadBrad Wrote:
(11-05-2019, 12:37 PM)Treebeard Wrote: Iranian Republican Guard - Trump officially labels as terrorist group. Americans killed:0

Mexican Drug Cartels - Trump does not officially label as terrorist group. Americans killed.

Time to label the Mexican Drug Cartels as terrorist groups and send in the US military.
No permission required.

OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!

See post #2 of this same thread.

While the Iranians are labeled terrorists by the CURRENT Administration, there
is nothing more than lip service going on so far.

The same POTUS, while still a candidate in 2016 couldn't say shit about anything
concerning the invaders from the South without the Legacy Media having a cow and
going crazy- calling him a racist. The Donald did everything he could to inform the
public military age males were streaming across the border in huge numbers. He did
everything except paint pictures and use finger puppets.
Instead our President was laughed and scorned because he said he thought his
offices and telephones were being tapped. Turns out he was correct.

Any more cheap shots today?
@Pure Rock Fury
11/27:Trump Says He Will Designate Mexican Cartels as Terrorists
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/11/26/trum...errorists/

Popcorn_nommer

You might have won this round. Even if Trump only considers it.

If the Mexican Drug Cartels are labeled as terrorists, it opens the door
at the Southern Border. They become refugees fleeing war/terror/violence.
It complicates everything as there may be no where to send people back
'safely' (like it is safe now). If SOME of the cartels are labeled as terrorist
but not all of them, then safe areas will be designated. Anyone giving aid or
support to such terrorists this side of the border become part of the illegal
network. And ready for extreme prosecution.
Mexico is a narco police State run by less than 2 dozen wealthy families.
Invading, like the days of pre WW I Gen Pershing is a risky business from
a world perspective.
I don't know how the Dems will take this. They voted big time just recently for
the Patriot Act. This label shows up and POTUS can send regular troops right up
to the border. End of Story. Lib governors in sanctuary States will have a fit.
Dems in Congress will have to eat crow.

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#47
2 1/2 minute video. Pretty much says it all.
Talk is there are 2 carriers just West of Mexico and 1 carrier to the East of Mexico.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-8PemAz...=emb_title

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#48
(11-27-2019, 08:43 PM)BadBrad Wrote:
(11-27-2019, 08:10 PM)Treebeard Wrote:
(11-05-2019, 01:55 PM)BadBrad Wrote: OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!

See post #2 of this same thread.

While the Iranians are labeled terrorists by the CURRENT Administration, there
is nothing more than lip service going on so far.

The same POTUS, while still a candidate in 2016 couldn't say shit about anything
concerning the invaders from the South without the Legacy Media having a cow and
going crazy- calling him a racist. The Donald did everything he could to inform the
public military age males were streaming across the border in huge numbers. He did
everything except paint pictures and use finger puppets.
Instead our President was laughed and scorned because he said he thought his
offices and telephones were being tapped. Turns out he was correct.

Any more cheap shots today?
@Pure Rock Fury
11/27:Trump Says He Will Designate Mexican Cartels as Terrorists
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/11/26/trum...errorists/

Popcorn_nommer

You might have won this round. Even if Trump only considers it.

If the Mexican Drug Cartels are labeled as terrorists, it opens the door
at the Southern Border. They become refugees fleeing war/terror/violence.
It complicates everything as there may be no where to send people back
'safely' (like it is safe now). If SOME of the cartels are labeled as terrorist
but not all of them, then safe areas will be designated. Anyone giving aid or
support to such terrorists this side of the border become part of the illegal
network. And ready for extreme prosecution.
Mexico is a narco police State run by less than 2 dozen wealthy families.
Invading, like the days of pre WW I Gen Pershing is a risky business from
a world perspective.
I don't know how the Dems will take this. They voted big time just recently for
the Patriot Act. This label shows up and POTUS can send regular troops right up
to the border. End of Story. Lib governors in sanctuary States will have a fit.
Dems in Congress will have to eat crow.

Mexico President Tells Trump ‘No Intervention’ on Cartels
Analysts say bid to label cartels terrorists doesn't make sense

Jason Ditz Posted on November 27, 2019Categories NewsTags Mexico, Trump

Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador reacted negatively to President Trump’s recent comments, saying he is open to cooperation with the US on drug cartels, but is not open to the idea of US intervention.

Trump announced Tuesday that he intends to label the Mexican cartels as terrorists, and Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said they contacted the US “to understand the meaning and scope of the remarks.” They also requested an immediate meeting with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to discuss the matter and what it actually means.

Analysts are going over that question a lot themselves. Many say that the practical impact is probably going to be minimal, as cartel leaderships tend to disband and reform very often, and the groups were already engaged in illegality in the first place.

They also say he declaration doesn’t make a lot of sense, with the terrorist groups’ hierarchy substantially different from the cartels. If anything, some analysts say it might bolster asylum claims from Mexicans seeking to flee violent crime.

https://news.antiwar.com/2019/11/27/mexi...n-cartels/

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So, yes, Brad.. you expressed the problem with repurcussions well. About myself, I would deny asylum claims. Mexicans "fleeing violence" should be forced to flee violence within their own very large country. It's more than big enough. Unfortunately, any situation where asylum claims continue to be honored - coupled with the designation of the cartels as terrorists, even without military action, would result in effective asylum claims from basically millions of Mexicans if they choose to come here, and those claims of asylum are generously rewarded with cash programs and other welfare not eligible to all immigrants.

So, I agree, the President should not designate the cartels as terrorists, because he isn't going to refuse asylum claims and is not politically prepared to fully execute his Constitutional and U.S. Code Law authority (along with his Attorney General) - to tell the Federal Court system and any State Court system to go to hell, because it would be quite the unsightly proposition.

If Trump labels the cartels as terrorists while allowing asylum claims, he is making the siituation for Americans worse.
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#49
We are poking around Iran,
we are poking around with Hong Kong,
Now we appear to be ready to fight, more than words, with Mexico.

That is a lot of items on one plate.

I am currently reading, "World View: Iran's Struggle for Supremacy" by
John Xenakis trying to get a grasp of what is going on. He has just published
a book on China. I will probably read that one next as they may be our next
combat opponents the way things are going.

So far, no new wars anywhere. I would like to keep it that way in a world
run by psychopaths.

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(11-28-2019, 09:37 AM)Treebeard Wrote:
(11-27-2019, 08:43 PM)BadBrad Wrote:
(11-27-2019, 08:10 PM)Treebeard Wrote: @Pure Rock Fury
11/27:Trump Says He Will Designate Mexican Cartels as Terrorists
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/11/26/trum...errorists/

Popcorn_nommer

You might have won this round. Even if Trump only considers it.

If the Mexican Drug Cartels are labeled as terrorists, it opens the door
at the Southern Border. They become refugees fleeing war/terror/violence.
It complicates everything as there may be no where to send people back
'safely' (like it is safe now). If SOME of the cartels are labeled as terrorist
but not all of them, then safe areas will be designated. Anyone giving aid or
support to such terrorists this side of the border become part of the illegal
network. And ready for extreme prosecution.
Mexico is a narco police State run by less than 2 dozen wealthy families.
Invading, like the days of pre WW I Gen Pershing is a risky business from
a world perspective.
I don't know how the Dems will take this. They voted big time just recently for
the Patriot Act. This label shows up and POTUS can send regular troops right up
to the border. End of Story. Lib governors in sanctuary States will have a fit.
Dems in Congress will have to eat crow.

Mexico President Tells Trump ‘No Intervention’ on Cartels
Analysts say bid to label cartels terrorists doesn't make sense

Jason Ditz Posted on November 27, 2019Categories NewsTags Mexico, Trump

Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador reacted negatively to President Trump’s recent comments, saying he is open to cooperation with the US on drug cartels, but is not open to the idea of US intervention.

Trump announced Tuesday that he intends to label the Mexican cartels as terrorists, and Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said they contacted the US “to understand the meaning and scope of the remarks.” They also requested an immediate meeting with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to discuss the matter and what it actually means.

Analysts are going over that question a lot themselves. Many say that the practical impact is probably going to be minimal, as cartel leaderships tend to disband and reform very often, and the groups were already engaged in illegality in the first place.

They also say he declaration doesn’t make a lot of sense, with the terrorist groups’ hierarchy substantially different from the cartels. If anything, some analysts say it might bolster asylum claims from Mexicans seeking to flee violent crime.

https://news.antiwar.com/2019/11/27/mexi...n-cartels/

----------------------------------

So, yes, Brad.. you expressed the problem with repurcussions well. About myself, I would deny asylum claims. Mexicans "fleeing violence" should be forced to flee violence within their own very large country. It's more than big enough. Unfortunately, any situation where asylum claims continue to be honored - coupled with the designation of the cartels as terrorists, even without military action, would result in effective asylum claims from basically millions of Mexicans if they choose to come here, and those claims of asylum are generously rewarded with cash programs and other welfare not eligible to all immigrants.

So, I agree, the President should not designate the cartels as terrorists, because he isn't going to refuse asylum claims and is not politically prepared to fully execute his Constitutional and U.S. Code Law authority (along with his Attorney General) - to tell the Federal Court system and any State Court system to go to hell, because it would be quite the unsightly proposition.

If Trump labels the cartels as terrorists while allowing asylum claims, he is making the siituation for Americans worse.


Hey, Tree! Did you call The Donald?
He just did as you wished (for now).
I didn't know you had that kind of pull.
****************


"Trump will 'temporarily hold off' designating Mexican cartels as terror groups"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-m...esignation

(snip)
Obrador praised Trump's decision at an event Friday in his home state of Tabasco.

“I celebrate that he has taken our opinion into account,” the Mexican president said, according to The New York Times. “There has to be cooperation with respect for our sovereignties, cooperation without interventionism. And I think it was a very good decision that he took today."

Designating cartels as foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs) could lead to tougher financial penalties and legal ramifications for those involved who are tried in the U.S. Once a group is designated a terrorist organization, known members are prohibited from entering the country and it is illegal for those in the U.S. to intentionally provide support. Financial institutions are barred from doing any type of business with the organization or its members. This could mean that an American selling drugs that originated south of the border could be prosecuted under anti-terrorism laws, and could possibly be given a life sentence.

(end snip)

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