The Fringe | Conspiracy, News, Politics, and Fun Forum!

Full Version: Teacher Fired, for failing students that deserved to fail
You're currently viewing a stripped down version of our content. View the full version with proper formatting.
Pages: 1 2
We have a few retired teachers in the family. They are glad they got out when they did. It's getting ridiculous.
For Mrs. Tirado,
[Image: giphy.gif]

Love>,
@Uncle Thanky
(11-18-2018, 01:51 AM)Twaddle Wrote: [ -> ]Is that the case with public schools? One would think that a teacher would have much more of a voice and authority when it came to holding children back. If you thought that was true, you were wrong.

Don't know why one would think that. Public Schools are getting graded by the Federal Government / State Government and get to ask for Property Tax increases based upon how 'good' the schools are.

An important part of the U.S. Department of Education, the National Blue Ribbon Schools Program recognizes outstanding public and non-public schools. In identifying several hundred outstanding schools annually, the program celebrates school excellence, turn around stories, and closing subgroup achievement gaps.
https://nationalblueribbonschools.ed.gov/home/about-us/

That is a lot of incentive to not give minority children failing grades.

Simplify Standardized testing and focus on teaching the test + Fake Graduation rates and presto ... your schools are improving.

A rigged output is part of monopoly systems. This is another reason to have a free market school system.
First participation trophies

Now participation grades

Eyeroll
(11-18-2018, 10:52 AM)St. Blue Dude Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-18-2018, 01:51 AM)Twaddle Wrote: [ -> ]Is that the case with public schools? One would think that a teacher would have much more of a voice and authority when it came to holding children back. If you thought that was true, you were wrong.

Don't know why one would think that.   Public Schools are getting graded by the Federal Government / State Government and get to ask for Property Tax increases based upon how 'good' the schools are.

An important part of the U.S. Department of Education, the National Blue Ribbon Schools Program recognizes outstanding public and non-public schools. In identifying several hundred outstanding schools annually, the program celebrates school excellence, turn around stories, and closing subgroup achievement gaps.
https://nationalblueribbonschools.ed.gov/home/about-us/

That is a lot of incentive to not give minority children failing grades.  

Simplify Standardized testing and focus on teaching the test + Fake Graduation rates and presto ... your schools are improving.  

A rigged output is part of monopoly systems.  This is another reason to have a free market school system.

It's worse than this. There are schools that use a modified grading system based on college-style grades. It's been weighted in such a manner that it's impossible to fail. Just showing up, as a student to class, passes you. That's it. Sitting there, even refusing to do your work, still nets you a pass.
(11-18-2018, 12:35 PM)~mc~ Wrote: [ -> ]First participation trophies

Now participation grades

Eyeroll

Yep, this exactly. Ask those in the teaching profession currently, if you know any. They will tell you this is true.
Teachers are regularly trained. They are repeatedly instructed on how their real job is to make sure the school continues to receive as much funding as possible, and that such funding comes almost entirely from sports and standardized test scores. Nothing else matters. Any one of them that doesnt "get it" by now doesn't deserve to be a teacher.
(11-18-2018, 01:51 AM)Twaddle Wrote: [ -> ]More common core stupidity

http://goodfullness.com/teacher-gets-fir...turn-work/
It has become more and more difficult to be a teacher in recent years. There are so many different rules and regulations in place now that it is difficult to stay in compliance.

Some private school teachers are even told that they can’t fail students, even if they did not participate in class or hand in assignments. The principles would pass down this information that often came from administration. Their logic was that parents were paying money for those private schools and that teachers could not hold the students back.

Is that the case with public schools? One would think that a teacher would have much more of a voice and authority when it came to holding children back. If you thought that was true, you were wrong.

In fact, there is a teacher in Florida that had to learn this lesson in the worst way possible. She gave zeros to students who were not turning in their assignments and ended up paying for it with her job.

Diane Tirado was no rookie when it came to teaching. She had been teaching for years and had got a new job at Westgate K-8 School in Port St. Lucie. As an eighth grade US history teacher, she was teaching something that most students should have done well with but her teaching methods came under fire.

Several students did not turn in their Explorer notebook project and Diane gave them zeros. The students had two weeks to complete it but they still did not turn in the work.

There is a policy active at the school that is called the ‘no zero’ policy. The policy states that the lowest possible grade is 50%.

The teacher asked administrators about the rule and then said: “But what if they don’t turn it in, and they say we’ll give them a 50? Oh no we don’t.”

Tirado was terminated just a few weeks after she started her new job at the school. On her last day she wrote a message on the whiteboard and it was later shared on Facebook.

“Bye Kids, Mrs. Tirado loves you and wishes you the best in life! I have been fired for refusing to give you a 50% for not handing anything in.”

Since she was still on a probationary period the termination letter did not specify why she was fired. As a result she may not have grounds for suing the school or to get assistance from the teachers union.

When it comes right down to it, however, she does not regret standing up for what she believes in.

“A grade in Mrs. Tirado’s class is earned,” she said.

“I’m so upset because we have a nation of kids that are expecting to get paid and live their life just for showing up and it’s not real,” she added.

She is now sharing her story on Facebook and it has gone viral. Hopefully it will serve to change the policy.

“The reason I took on this fight was because it was ridiculous. Teaching should not be this hard. Teachers teach content, children do the assignments to the best of their ability and teachers grade that work based on a grading scale that has been around a very long time. Teachers also provide numerous attempts to get the work collected so they can give a child a grade. By nature, most teachers are loving souls who want to see students succeed. We do above and beyond actual teaching to give them the support they need. Are we perfect? NO. We make mistakes like all other human beings, but I know teachers work their butts off to help children to be the best people they can be!!!”

Many of the viewers on Facebook are taking sides with the teacher and agree that she shouldn’t be fired.

“Is that for real? I’d be out of a job also,” wrote a teacher.

“A teacher should have the right to decide the grade a child receives. If they simply do not turn in the work, an F they should receive … If you start handing out 50% to everyone that does not turn in their work, what example does that teach? The child needs to be held accountable for the work they do not turn in,” one Facebook user commented.

“I’m so sorry you have to deal with all of this! I fully support you. If nothing is turned in I absolutely think a zero is deserved. By giving them credit for not turning anything in I think teaches them the wrong lesson that can be applied to many aspects in life. Hang in there,” another chimed in.

As it turns out, this isn’t the first time a teacher has been summarily dismissed for giving a zero. In another case, the teacher stood up and won

Lynden Dorval taught physics in Edmonton, Canada at Ross shepherd High School. She was let go from her teaching job in 2012 for giving zeros to students who didn’t hand in their work.

Ross Shepherd also has a no zero policy and the teacher ended up in trouble.

Less than a week after he was terminated, Dorval was offered a job at a private school.

“Our evaluation policy is generally left up to the teachers,” Peter Mitchell, head of Tempo School, who hired Dorval, told CBC. “I think students here wouldn’t be surprised to get a zero if they didn’t do their work.”

This case also went to court and Dorval received compensation for the termination. He received an increase in this pension and two years salary.

“I knew that what I did was right and whether it was legal or not it was the right thing to do and the support of family, friends and colleagues, and former students even, really has helped get me through this,” he said.

Perhaps the viral story by Tirado will help her to get a new job or at the very least, help schools to look differently at how students should be treated when they don’t turn in their work.

TLDR

Are you ever going to give us a summary in your own words? Or are you going to take the he-man tactic of copy pasting the entire damn thing and pretending you wrote it ?

Quote: try this sometime
(11-18-2018, 02:36 PM)Mulciber Wrote: [ -> ]Teachers are regularly trained. They are repeatedly instructed on how their real job is to make sure the school continues to receive as much funding as possible, and that such funding comes almost entirely from sports and standardized test scores. Nothing else matters. Any one of them that doesnt "get it" by now doesn't deserve to be a teacher.

I'll agree about the money end. When I wanted to quit school at 16,three of my teachers came to me. My Spanish teacher said if I stayed,I was a shoe in for Spanish club president and my English teacher said I had the talent to edit the school paper. Then my history teacher admitted he got paid by butts in seats. Troll2 He said the feds matched state funds and it was all about attendance numbers and test scores. This was back in 1979 so I can imagine it's much more so now.
(11-18-2018, 03:08 PM)MysticPizza Wrote: [ -> ]He said the feds matched state funds and it was all about attendance numbers and test scores. This was back in 1979 so I can imagine it's much more so now.

My sister is the curriculum supervisor for one of the southern states. It's all about getting those tax dollars, and the only real metrics they have are things like attendance and standardized test scores. How did she get her job? She had the clever idea of teaching nothing but the standardized test questions as the curriculum outline.
Pages: 1 2