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(07-23-2018, 06:18 PM)Jypsie Wrote: [ -> ]I also just went and picked up one of those eggs.  They only had the hand held one available- so I’m adding that to the treats and door bell routine.

I'd do petting and praise over snacks.

Some dogs know when you are out of snacks.

Chuckle
(07-23-2018, 06:18 PM)Luvapottamus Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2018, 05:35 PM)MysticPizza Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2018, 05:04 PM)Catch Wrote: [ -> ]You could never stir shit with me, I have way too much respect for you for that to ever happen  Drinks

My point is that Jypsie has her back against the wall and is running out of time. Any dog is going to be easily motivated with food treats and any "shortcut" is going to be beneficial in the short term. I understand the whole "Alpha is the only way to go" thing, but that usually takes some time to establish if the dog has already been in the family for awhile.

Plus, I disagree with the Guests comment that the treat/event approach would confuse the dog. I think they're more intelligent than that and it's essentially a step in creating some sort of communication with them. Once they understand "doorbell is good", then you can take a firmer approach and wean them off the treats.

I'm no Ceasar Millan and I've got a few scars that prove I don't always know what I'm talking about, but the whole treat/event thing seemed to bring about the least amount of blood  Chuckle

Heartflowers

He has a few scars as well,it does happen but you can't give up or back down. Never show her fear or anything other than"I'm the alpha around here".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ihXq_WwiWM

I highly recommend checking out some of his books.

Before I got my fist dog(we had other dogs but I chose my own at this age) when I was 13, or 14, I read all the dog training books in the library.

I'm sure he lays it out in a more complete and structured format than you'll get from tv, though seeing live examples is good too.

https://www.cesarsway.com/

Probably lots of free stuff here^^^

But I'd check some out at the library.

I had a well thumbed copy of his first book. His style is like my daddy's and he taught me so I 'know' Ceasar's methods . It is good to go to his videos for a reminder now and then. Cheer

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(07-23-2018, 05:10 PM)Munchaab Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2018, 05:05 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2018, 03:59 PM)Catch Wrote: [ -> ]I don't give a fuck what the dog thinks, or you either for that matter. I gave the suggestion to @Jypsie based on my experience with the worse basket case of a dog I've ever met in my life that happened to work.

If you have any input besides bashing other's methods, I am sure the OP would appreciate your input. If not, then there's no reason for you to be posting in this thread.

Slow your roll hotshot.. no one is "bashing" a fuckin thing.

I've been working with dogs for over 40 years, all types.

I gave her the best "advice" that is available.  and that is for her to learn dogs.

And if you" don't give a fuck what the dog thinks"..  thats not very helpful is it?  For the dog or her.

An insecure dog is an aggressive dog, she needs to learn "dog".

And just so you know.. I'll post where ever I feel like posting.

Knock of the name calling - or you get a guest troll status...

Everything else is OK...

Hotshot is somehow "offensive?"..

Guest

(07-23-2018, 05:17 PM)Catch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2018, 05:05 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2018, 03:59 PM)Catch Wrote: [ -> ]I don't give a fuck what the dog thinks, or you either for that matter. I gave the suggestion to @Jypsie based on my experience with the worse basket case of a dog I've ever met in my life that happened to work.

If you have any input besides bashing other's methods, I am sure the OP would appreciate your input. If not, then there's no reason for you to be posting in this thread.

Slow your roll hotshot.. no one is "bashing" a fuckin thing.

I've been working with dogs for over 40 years, all types.

I gave her the best "advice" that is available.  and that is for her to learn dogs.

And if you" don't give a fuck what the dog thinks"..  thats not very helpful is it?  For the dog or her.

An insecure dog is an aggressive dog, she needs to learn "dog".

And just so you know.. I'll post where ever I feel like posting.

Did you read the OP's post? That some great advice you're giving for a new dog owner looking to adopt for the first time with a big selection to pick from.

Yes I did, and rather than trying to white knight and play tough guy, i gave her the fastest possible solution to her problem.

I haven't seen one bit of advice from you to Jypsie that I'd consider to be beneficial. You claim you're not bashing, but you're sure as hell being condescending.

Again, The advice is there, it is straight forward and right, your white knight hood is in the way though, you cannot see it.

Let me ask you "hotshot", in your 40 years, have you been faced with a situation of having to save a doomed dog and there's not much time left? What have you done? What worked and what didn't? Or did you simply walk to the next kennel and ooh and awe over the next choice? That's the kind of advice the OP is looking for.

Well I'll tell you "hotshot", my last save was about a month and a half ago, a 3 yr old bluetick hound that was totally and completely maladjusted.

He was biting his owner as well as other people, he was aggressive with people but he was not animal aggressive... which is unusual for a hound.

I took him for 10 days and calmed and adjusted him to my home, then he went back to his owner who I worked with TEACHING HIM DOG for another 5 days. The pooch is currently well behaved and does not snap or bite anymore.. It is NOT all about BE THE ALPHA!!!ARRRRGH!!!! Dogs have a very complex language they use amongst themselves most people do not know what it looks like or sounds like. Do you even calming signal bro?

I have been through this so many times over the past decade, where people want me to "train their dog" because I have the most attentive, intelligent, well heeled dog they have ever seen.

Over and over and over and over again... I have to train the person.. NOT THE DOG.

The best advice she could have gotten was in that post, it was not designed to not offend your sensibilities, it was designed to give her the fastest solution to her problems at the moment.

Whether or not she follows it is up to her.

I absolutely adore dogs, they are by far the best companion animals a human can have.. they also have THEIR needs and those are not understood by humans too well at all, unfortunately.

I look forward to what you have to add...

Do you? really??

And if "hotshot" offends you please, by all means let me know.. I won't use it.
(07-23-2018, 09:25 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]And if "hotshot" offends you please, by all means let me know.. I won't use it.

You can call me whatever you wish, makes no difference to me.

I went back and read your first post, the one where you gave her "the fastest possible solution". I'm just not seeing any advice or solution (unless you're counting the obvious..."pay a trainer" comment)  1dunno1 You did an excellent job of offering your online, anonymous diagnosis though.

Further, you claim that you "do not train a dog"? I am struggling with that one, can you elaborate? I've spent a lot of time at the local Sheriff Department K9 training facility and those guys would likely dispute that whole "you do not train" thing. All those hours I've spent with my own dogs over the years, training them to walk beside me without a leash or retrieve downed pheasants...that wasn't training? Dogs aside, I also raise horses and I'm pretty proud of the three stallions that any kid can walk up to and pet. If you think a dog is tough, try taking one of those testosterone laden bastards on.

I'm sorry bud, but I'm just not seeing where you're coming from, in a helpful manner anyway. In your first post and this last reply you said that you have to "learn dog", but I don't see any hints or steps that would help the OP. If you're experienced, why not ask some questions to get a better feel of the situation? Why not at least offer some simple, specific suggestions?

Good job with the Bluetick. I do find it surprising that you thought taking him out of the house was a positive move.

Guest

People with dogs shows that evolution is fake and gay.

If evolution was real, then people would have primates as their primary pets- chimpanzees, gorillas, etc... because according to them, we are 'this' close to them.

But chimpanzees were never "man's best friend"... never. Not even in Africa.

..

Guest

(07-23-2018, 10:43 PM)Catch Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2018, 09:25 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]And if "hotshot" offends you please, by all means let me know.. I won't use it.

You can call me whatever you wish, makes no difference to me.

I went back and read your first post, the one where you gave her "the fastest possible solution". I'm just not seeing any advice or solution (unless you're counting the obvious..."pay a trainer" comment)  1dunno1 You did an excellent job of offering your online, anonymous diagnosis though.

She must learn how to communicate with the dog as a , well dog. A dog sees you as the alpha when he understands his place in the heirarchy.. that does not happen by force. He has to know, through proper interaction what his place is.

Further, you claim that you "do not train a dog"? I am struggling with that one, can you elaborate? I've spent a lot of time at the local Sheriff Department K9 training facility and those guys would likely dispute that whole "you do not train" thing. All those hours I've spent with my own dogs over the years, training them to walk beside me without a leash or retrieve downed pheasants...that wasn't training? Dogs aside, I also raise horses and I'm pretty proud of the three stallions that any kid can walk up to and pet. If you think a dog is tough, try taking one of those testosterone laden bastards on.

When you take that horse into that lunge ring, where do you stand? where do you work him from? How do you use your hands to signal? What are you looking for him to do that will let you know he is accepting of his position? What position is he going to take near you when he "gets it?"

Unlike a dog a horse must be "broken" they are a large animal that if not correctly TRAINED will try and kill you. I have trained my share of horses.. you want to know the worst? thoroughbreds!.. bastards have the brains bred right out of them!

A horse must be "broken" because they must be made to know who is in charge at all times, if not they become cagey and downright dangerous. I have know seven people who are no longer on this earth because they were killed by horses, honestly.. I really do not like them at all.

Now the dog is a different animal altogether, (pun intended) He is a predator, not prey as in the case of horses.. look where his eyes are. He is an extremely social animal that carries with him millions of years of evolutionary communication with his kind.

he has a complete language that he uses to communicate his thoughts and feelings to you and other dogs continuously, he never stops.. it is instictual, it is ingrained in him. You don't "train" a dog.. you take advantage of his instinctual need to please the ones above him in the group. it is that simple, he wants to make you happy with his actions at all times.

He wants to please you, you give him tasks that let him do that and he will perform them willingly and with more heart than any other animal can muster.

Those dogs are not trained, they are performing tasks to please those in the pack that they look up to.

Why do you crate a puppy?

And if you let him out of the crate and he shits on the floor why would you NOT rub his nose in it and slap him around?

Why would you never hit him with the shoe he chewed up while you were gone? I'll answer that one for you... because he has a very short memory, he has no idea what he did wrong and all he knows is that his human is being mean and hurting him, it does nothing but make resentment... which starts him on the path of confusion and aggression.

there is one tiny piece of wisdom..

Fact of the matter is I do not have the time or energy to go into every sordid detail of dog language and how to interpret it and speak back to your pooch. I have in the past a multitude of times and some jackass always chimed in with " just beat them with the shoe they chewed up!" which was easier Than actually admitting they knew nothing at all about the animal they were ruining. It is every ones responsibility, if they have a dog, to know how to communicate with it. We just like to think we train them, because well.. control. Humans have to control.

Dogs are spectacular animals they are all good, every last one.. a whole hell of a lot of them are completely confused and lost as to direction because their humans have no fucking clue how to show them.

As for the bluetick.. he is a good pup.. he was also going batshit crazy where he was and he needed a break from the situation in order to calm down and focus long enough to realize he had a place in this scheme.. there would have been no talking to him where he was and I needed time to straighten out his human as to why his pup was going batshit crazy in his home.

As I have said, a vicious dog is a confused dog.

You don't train a dog... you train yourself to speak and act dog and give him tasks.

do that and he will be your best friend and companion as long as his heart beats, he will never let you down or disappoint you, it is not in his biological imperative to do such things.




I'm sorry bud, but I'm just not seeing where you're coming from, in a helpful manner anyway. In your first post and this last reply you said that you have to "learn dog", but I don't see any hints or steps that would help the OP. If you're experienced, why not ask some questions to get a better feel of the situation? Why not at least offer some simple, specific suggestions?

Good job with the Bluetick. I do find it surprising that you thought taking him out of the house was a positive move.
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