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(06-13-2018, 01:49 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: [ -> ]Can you expand on this?

One of the reasons California can exist the way it does is simple protection of powers and also answering to a higher authority. On it's own on paper we don't really need anything from the rest of the country. We get fleeced by the rest of the country. Some states for example receive more in federal benefits than they pay in.

Not only does the rest of America benefit from our innovation here, but you guys call us a bunch of fags and despise us politically.

While we do change your politics nationally, you do us zero favors beyond protecting us collectively to constitutional rights & privileges.

We are just different here.
The important question is how will the electoral votes be split. 2/3 of CA will be Conservative, especially if Trump goes along with the Brewer proposal on weed.

Lower taxes and the feds backing off marijuana will bring Northern California over to the Right
(06-13-2018, 12:11 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-13-2018, 12:06 PM)St. Blue Dude Wrote: [ -> ]The State of Stupidity.
The State of Confusion.
The State of Despair.

So you agree that this concept might work?

yes. California has too many letters.

Same with Connecticut and Mississippi. I'm sick of this shit. Fucking American Indians and their weird names for places.
Speak English you fucking savages.
(06-13-2018, 12:28 PM)atabrigade Wrote: [ -> ]they need to combine la,sac,san fran......leave everyone else alone. Call it the state of rainbows.

I prefer this too. That's why the "State of Jefferson" proposal is better. It includes the Foothill/Mountain counties the central valley farming counties and all the way up to some of the southern Oregon counties. (my cousin in southern Or tells me they have "Jefferson" t shirts in his town) Anyway, separate us from the big cities.
(06-13-2018, 01:27 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: [ -> ]Up until last year I would have agreed with the spilit...it's a good idea and one they have had for sometime now.

But...the tide is shifting in the Red Wakes favor...so I wonder if the split, which has been largely ignored by the leftists, isn't due them being worried that CA will become Red again.

That equals 55 electoral votes.


Just saying...they might be able to see the writing on this wall and don't like what they are reading.

I totally agree with your conjecture. Look at the proposed map; all three include large, liberal cities. I'd rather Ca. just stay together than split like that.
(06-13-2018, 02:00 PM)blind prophet Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-13-2018, 01:49 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: [ -> ]Can you expand on this?

One of the reasons California can exist the way it does is simple protection of powers and also answering to a higher authority. On it's own on paper we don't really need anything from the rest of the country. We get fleeced by the rest of the country. Some states for example receive more in federal benefits than they pay in.

Not only does the rest of America benefit from our innovation here, but you guys call us a bunch of fags and despise us politically.

While we do change your politics nationally, you do us zero favors beyond protecting us collectively to constitutional rights & privileges.

We are just different here.

You really think CA is being fleeced by the rest of the USA?

In any case, have you guys considered that you are being fleeced by your own elected officials in your state government and the illegals you harbor in your state?

Also, I'm not too sure that Wikipedia's 'facts' about CA's economy are still accurate, not to mention anyone can add to Wikipedia. Because those are older talking points that leftists have been using for several years now...some don't apply anymore.


If some people in CA want to cry about being labeled as liberal, I'll just remind them that I recall the left hating Texas during the Obama years (I don't forget, kind of a fault I have)...Obama suing the state of AZ for following Federal Laws and Hollywood wishing Texas would drown for who they voted for.

I have no beef with places like San Diego or the people who do not think like the pos destroying that state...but I do have a special dislike for silicon valley asshole elitists who defend their tech bosses, when the reality is that many of them only want to actually continue their illegal trade with Mexico. (There is a real reason San Jose has the homeless rate it has, why the tech industry hates the idea of the wall and how they are desperate to hide their little human trafficking 'fun' from the country).

I deal with these 'tech smart' people daily and their stupidity when it comes to the destructive nature of marxist politics is embarrassing.
(06-13-2018, 02:26 PM)Jedediah Smith Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-13-2018, 01:27 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: [ -> ]Up until last year I would have agreed with the spilit...it's a good idea and one they have had for sometime now.

But...the tide is shifting in the Red Wakes favor...so I wonder if the split, which has been largely ignored by the leftists, isn't due them being worried that CA will become Red again.

That equals 55 electoral votes.


Just saying...they might be able to see the writing on this wall and don't like what they are reading.

I totally agree with your conjecture.  Look at the proposed map;  all three include large, liberal cities.  I'd rather Ca. just stay together than split like that.

Sometimes, I can see their game before they play it, Jedediah Smith...in this case, it's clear what this game is...they KNOW they are about to lose CA and it has a very strong chance of turning Red...so all of a sudden they pretend to listen to those that have wanted to split the state up?

No, these losers don't listen to people, they USE people...and that idea seems to be a good way to split the 55 electoral college votes up...this is a last ditch desperate measure.
Just thought I'd mention that statehood can only be granted by an agreement of the affected state's legislature and Congress.

In order for California to do this, they'd have to get their legislature to agree to it, then they'd have to set up 3 new legislatures, all 3 would have to agree to become states. Then they'd have to petition Congress to grant them each statehood. Which would not be guaranteed.

In the meanwhile, it would be called secession and we have laws about that too. But on the off chance it's granted - California would instantly stop receiving any federal monies. The military would be removed, as well as all federal agencies. California would be completely on their own for funding, military protection and they wouldn't even be able to have passports, since they'd no longer be part of the USA nor would they be their own country. They won't even be able to fly until they set up their own version of the FAA. So they'd be trapped for years until all the details were worked out.

The USA could put a ban on all travel to the area and not recognize anyone traveling from the area. No deliveries in or out. They'd have to go thru the UN to work out trade agreements with other nations.

And I could go on. But you get the picture. The people pushing this idea - haven't thought it through at all.
(06-13-2018, 02:00 PM)blind prophet Wrote: [ -> ]One of the reasons California can exist the way it does is simple protection of powers and also answering to a higher authority. On it's own on paper we don't really need anything from the rest of the country. We get fleeced by the rest of the country. Some states for example receive more in federal benefits than they pay in.

I always love this argument from west coasters. You're the big liberal state. You're the guys who vote for 'Progressive' Income Tax rates. Then you whine and bitch about the results of progressive income tax rates. You're the ones that vote for a huge government social welfare net. Then you bitch about the results of a huge government social welfare net.


(06-13-2018, 02:00 PM)blind prophet Wrote: [ -> ]Not only does the rest of America benefit from our innovation here, but you guys call us a bunch of fags and despise us politically.

While we do change your politics nationally, you do us zero favors beyond protecting us collectively to constitutional rights & privileges.

We are just different here.

If you're not a fag, stop whining like you have dick up your ass. What innovation are you talking about? Cheap illegal labor? PC laws? Traffic tickets from Cameras? Overpriced Coffee? Serial Killers?

Your over-regulated, over-taxed, over-priced state is the opposite of innovative.
(06-13-2018, 02:47 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-13-2018, 02:26 PM)Jedediah Smith Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-13-2018, 01:27 PM)Deplorably Nameless Wrote: [ -> ]Up until last year I would have agreed with the spilit...it's a good idea and one they have had for sometime now.

But...the tide is shifting in the Red Wakes favor...so I wonder if the split, which has been largely ignored by the leftists, isn't due them being worried that CA will become Red again.

That equals 55 electoral votes.


Just saying...they might be able to see the writing on this wall and don't like what they are reading.

I totally agree with your conjecture.  Look at the proposed map;  all three include large, liberal cities.  I'd rather Ca. just stay together than split like that.

Sometimes, I can see their game before they play it, Jedediah Smith...in this case, it's clear what this game is...they KNOW they are about to lose CA and it has a very strong chance of turning Red...so all of a sudden they pretend to listen to those that have wanted to split the state up?

No, these losers don't listen to people, they USE people...and that idea seems to be a good way to split the 55 electoral college votes up...this is a last ditch desperate measure.

I agree. Also, all my friends who are still in Ca (jobs, family, etc) are conservative and are FAR more in line with what you wrote above than what the other poster is saying. His talking points sound exactly like one of the "come visit California" TV tourism ads. I worked in the Sacramento area. MANY of my co-workers were Mexican. I'm talking about Mexican-AMERICANS who don't even speak Spanish. Patriotic, Conservative good people. The lefties are changing that with illegal immigration, turning Sacramento into a mini LA.
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